Posted on Jan 4, 2014
SSgt Tim Meuret
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Corporations claim they are hiring veterans.  Among veterans the buzz says it is all hype.  At the same time I have two friends who own businesses that want to hire only veterans and can't find anyone.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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Perfectly seamless transition... Went to a company/job very similar to what I did in the Army; para-military security for critical national security assets. My TS security clearance transferred with no problem. Most of my peers in my new vocation were folks I have known and worked with in the Army for years.

My recommendation is to start early, network and be ready to adjust your target departure date, up or back, as opportunities present themselves. Don't just take any job, as you may not be happy in it. Wait for something that interests you and that, for the most part, meets your needs. Holding out for the "perfect" job may work out for you, but that is probably the exception. Take a job that is acceptable and work your way into that perfect job by doing the same thing you did in the military -- Do your very best in any job you have.

I used to tell my assignment officers and counseled my personnel to do the same: "I'll go to a bad place for a good job; I'll go to a good place for a bad job; but I won't go to a bad place for a bad job." -- That always worked for me (I was lucky -- got good jobs in good places). I offer the same advice in seeking civilian employment.
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TSgt Aaron D.
TSgt Aaron D.
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Colonel, I am headed to the Dallas/Fort Worth area upon my separation in February. I got a sigh of relief to hear you say you are in a good area.
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SSG Mike Angelo
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My hobby helped me out. I like riding horses and owned several of them. I went into the rodeo circuit as labor and stock contracting; been bucked off, bitten, chewed on, stepped on, kicked, mauled, thrown in the air, chased and pooped/urinated on by bucking stock, horses and bulls; steers and mutton. So when someone asks me whats wrong with me, I tell that...plus I wear a hearing aid, and I need both ears corrected. Sometimes, when people ask why I phase out, I tell them that I go places (in the mind) on occasion. I make the conversation interesting. If I tell people its an army thing, they don't get it. One has to have a sense of humor to live in a progressive, capitalistic, free and independent society; Highly individualistic. 
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SGT Ameri Corps Member
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When I left Fort Hood I found a temporary job working for Acer right there in Temple since I had some computer technical skills.  But since I've moved back to Missouri it's been really tough finding good job leads.  My MOS really doesn't have many civilian job equivalents except for maybe working for Dish Network, DirectTV, or a local cable company.  My biggest problem is probably a stable work history which is a vicious trap since I haven't been able to get a job at this point. 
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TSgt Scott Hurley
TSgt Scott Hurley
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You and me both.....
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How difficult was your personal transition back to civilian life and employment?
CW2 Joseph Evans
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I think part of it is expectation. There are plenty of jobs out there and plenty of people hiring as well as looking for work.
But employers aren't wanting to pay what most veterans are asking and most veterans aren't willing to accept what most employers are offering.
Small businesses with limited budgets don't have the resources to hire at a wage that most service members are used to living on. While I'm a big fan of getting in on the ground floor of a start-up that is going places, reality is that most of them don't go anywhere and entrepreneurs operating on a shoestring aren't always easy to work with or for.
Right now, I make more as a professional student than I would working for anyone that would take a second look at my resume as is (in a career field I'm willing to work in right now). Of course, school opens up the resume and lets me correlate military experience in a manner that is quantifiable to the civilian market, which is one of my regrets about not completing a degree while in the service.
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SSgt Tim Meuret
SSgt Tim Meuret
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I completed my degrees after the military, but I found that being a veteran made no difference.  They do however, enjoy claiming your veteran status in their statistics.
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TSgt Aaron D.
TSgt Aaron D.
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I am also going back to school afterwards. I planned on working from February to August and starting in the Fall semester. I have a little over 2 years left. Do you think it would be better for me to just snag an internship during the summer or get a contract for hire gig?
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CW2 Joseph Evans
CW2 Joseph Evans
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TSgt Aaron D. , It's really going to be a personal decision. The internship contributes to graduation credits, but will only reduce your total classes by 1 or 2 at most. Contract for hire can work out well and I'm aware of a lot of tech companies that support that. For employment purposes, I honestly believe they are both equally effective. The trick is snagging either one of those positions. I'm going to say don't limit yourself, approach both as options and consider the door that opens first.
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TSgt Aaron D.
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Thanks for the response Joe! Yeah they definitely both have their perks. I see the internship as finishing college earlier or contract for hire as making more money right away. I'm afraid if I did contract for hire and I was making really good money that I would try to extend my contract and not go back to school.
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1stSgt Robert Tracy
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What I am reading here is that the ACAP or Transition Assistance Program sucked for most of you. The take-away from either transition program should have been to translate your military knowledge, skills and abilities into civilian jargon, identify careers that require these skills, use your GI Bill to get the certs or education required to validate your capabilities (if needed) and search and discover the companies that need these KSAs.

If we look at the trend, DoD is downsizing. Contract companies will be hard pressed to fill positions for existing employees. I joined the government four years ago because I saw the writing on the wall - DoD is not in the hiring boom as it was just after 9/11 and the subsequent 12 years. Find industries that are growing and apply your KSAs there.

The missions of each civilian organization and company is different; but, in most cases, it's about the money. The company has to earn enough to pay its employees and to build its products and service its customers. Maybe your experience can show them how to hold ground (marketing) or winning the hearts and minds of the local population (loyal customers). It's all about how you phrase your KSAs into terms the employer can understand and needs. Don't go in expecting to receive a job - that's a military mindset where you PCS to a unit and the unit tells you where you plug in. Tell the company how you are going to use your KSAs to satisfy their problems...this means you must know the company before you sit down and write your resume.

You can find additional insightful tidbits on my blog at fundamentalguru.com
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SSG Mike Angelo
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During my ACAP before retiring at Ft Sill, Oklahoma, there were alot of classes and workforce opportunities. Dream listing, counseling, resume writing and interview role playing. In 96, the online thing was not mainstream. My biggest benefit was that I was able to apply for my disability through the VA, veterans administration during the ACAP transition period. After I retired, my 30% was approved and supported by the DAV, disabled american veterans national group.

ACAP allows the SM time to prepare on letting go and being a contributor to society. I was not ready to leave the military, mentally . I had to learn to let it go.

ACAP is not a crystal ball deal. By attending, SMs are not guaranteed anything but time to get ready on being Joe, Mike, Terry, Sam etc...When you leave the service....you have a name. That name is your brand that society will know you as, and hopefully pay you as.

ACAP is a needed program for the SM to start letting go.

For retirees, the first 5 years is your critical period for adjustment. Some of you will not make it due to some health, stroke, suicide, accident,victims of violent crime or even jail time. These are facts, however we all have hard choices to make for survival. Good luck out there.
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TSgt Scott Hurley
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This is what I have been telling my mother who works in HR at a Hospital. But she and my aunt, who also works in HR, do not believe me. I even refuse to apply for jobs their unless it is working on oxygen equipment. Also, a lot of places do not want to see you in person. They will tell you to apply on line. I have applied to several places, and nobody calls. I did get interviews twice with Home Depot. But was not hired. I even tried to get back with Sears since I used to work for them. And I have already said screw Wal-mart, since their application system is so screwy.

I just can not believe all the excuses that the HR's come up with concerning Vets. We are to rigid, we can not conform, we have PTSD, etc. When in reality, we are better assets than those that have never served in the military. Because we know how to adapt and overcome anything. I am going back to school right now to get my degree in IT with security. But right now I just want a job.
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PO2 Tony Casler
PO2 Tony Casler
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My experience has been that it is easy enough to get an entry-level position but impossible to advance. Managers have been happy to take advantage of my willingness to accept responsibility beyond my position and act as a leader but the promised promotion never comes. I don't know if they believe that I am a threat to their own position or just like having someone doing management level work on entry-level pay but either way every job has turned out to be a dead end.
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SrA Joshua Hagler
SrA Joshua Hagler
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That is what I have seen and heard. My own experience is that a lot of companies do not want to put outsiders in management spots over their longer serving workers. It is kind of like the good ole boy system.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Virtually Seamless. I was a Technician, A Network/Communications Specialist for the Navy Intelligence Community/NSA.
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SSgt Network Engineer
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I was able to get a job in the clearance industry as a defense contractor thanks to my TS SCI clearance. That clearance opened so many doors for me after leaving the Air Force. I was able to get some industry certifications such as ITIL V3 and Security +. Additionally I was able to use the post 9/11 GI bill to advance myself. It hasn't been an easy journey to transition from military life.
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SrA Joshua Hagler
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For me, I had no plan of getting out, I wanted a career in the military and the climate of the Air Force and the new regs caused me to get the denied a reenlistment. I had no real savings and almost went homeless, thankfully I got a job a few months after separation. However it was a big cut in salary and to this day I haven't gotten out of the hole financially. What I find hard about civilian employment is a two parter. One, is that I feel that I am not qualified for any of these jobs, I am not a tech savvy guy and I know nothing of computers. I would love to get an A&P and work on airplanes again, but I can not afford to not work, even with the GI bill. Two, most employers do not care about your experience and only education, so the young enlisted man/woman who does not have the education yet already is in the hole. They very few that do consider your experience in value either do not pay well or do not pay to relocate you to them. There is no way I could afford to move where I am at now to somewhere else. It sucks being an aircraft mechanic of "small" type aircraft because that experience does not carry over to the "bigger" planes in the civilian world. If I had a job in intel or some kind of networking specialty then I could almost work for any company. I was limited on civilian employment as soon as I signed my life away to the Air Force to be an aircraft mechanic.
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TSgt Scott Hurley
TSgt Scott Hurley
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SrA Joshua Hagler Since you and I came from the Aircraft Maintenance career fields. Its kind of funny. According to the FAA you do not need an A&P license to work at an airline. You have to get it in a certain amount of time after joining them. But of course the Airlines want the A&P license. Makes you wonder. Also, since your a Crew Chief, it is false that what you learned on small aircraft does not translate to big aircraft. Its just that in the civilian air industry, we would work all systems on the planes. Like you do my job. And I have done Crew Chief work in the AF on B-52's.
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1stSgt Robert Tracy
1stSgt Robert Tracy
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Scott, great comments for Josh. But, I always recommend vets go to the local county workforce center. They usually can help ease the fears and transitions into civilian military-friendly employers.

It goes without saying pay is going to be different on the civilian side without an education. While my buddies were drinking and carousing around in Germany, I was in school, taking classes. Took me 15 years; but, I finally earned a piece of paper - an MBA in Management to show for my time in the military. It gets me in the door for the interview. Then, it's up to me to sell my skills on how I can help the company (or government).
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SrA Joshua Hagler
SrA Joshua Hagler
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Sadly, I have been told in interviews that small planes do not translate to the big ones. That was direct from a civilian employer. However I was just picked for an ART position for the reserves, so I am coming back to the same job and air frame.
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SFC Mark Merino
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I'm in the Phoenix area and have been dropping resumes like crazy. No luck so far. As far as transitioning....I was medically retired against my will and went LOUDLY into that goodnight. I would have had a much smoother transition if I would have been better prepared but who expects to make the transition with 18,5 years in? It took about a year to finally let go of the anger. It's been 4 years and I still miss the life.
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SSgt Network Engineer
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Fart and clear the room? that is awesome!
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MSgt Roger Lalik
MSgt Roger Lalik
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Someone besides me does understand the humor.... :)
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SSgt Robert Kitchens
SSgt Robert Kitchens
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MSgt Lalik (Rog) isn't by any means stretching the truth. I should know, I've called him friend (and Boss) for 30 years now. Excellent Marine and faithful friend, kinda like a big old mangy, tick and worm infested dog, you just gotta like him. All us old Marines miss our Corps.
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MSgt Roger Lalik
MSgt Roger Lalik
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Mangy dog.... oh good grief. I really prefer fat, old, ugly guy. Mangy, tick infested....! Oh my, we'll gonna talk wild-man....
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