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Compare the army to the air force
Can anyone who has been in the Army and Air Force compare daily life and operations between the two branches?
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TSgt Battlefield Weather Forecaster
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Having worked beside the Army for the past 6+ years (out of 10 years in the Air Force), I found that the fundamental difference is that the Army is more rank conscious than the Air Force. While I do find a lot of respect from lower enlisted to upper enlisted or officers, the Army grinds the parade rest/attention and "Sergeant"/"Sir/Ma'am" mentality very hard. The Air Force is more people oriented; Leaders try to get to know their people, not just from a work viewpoint, but from a personal one as well.

Personally, I have seen SPC and PV2s openly defy and disrespect CPTs and 1LTs, while I have not seen the corresponding lack of respect from SrA and A1Cs to Capts or 1st Lts. I think a lot of this has to do with the mentality of how the two services treat their lower ranks. The Air Force generally tries to better the person, while the Army tries to better the worker.

All this being said, I have the utmost respect for my Army brethren. I love working alongside them.
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TSgt Battlefield Weather Forecaster
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SGT Spratley,

What I've noticed is that the Air Force places a heavy emphasis on advanced training and education, working towards a degree, volunteer activities, and working on skills that aren't solely geared to their primary military duties. I'm not saying that the Army doesn't do this, but I don't see nearly as much emphasis as the AF does.
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In the Army, from my short experience those things are prioritized based on the mission of the organization. Those levels aren't constant throughout units.
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SSG Chris Castillo
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I agree with that assessment, but most disrespect from lower enlisted to officers comes from the S shops, and not the Army as a whole. There is a different mentality in the administration world which I assume most of your experience with the Army comes from.
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SSgt Simone Hamilton
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Air Force is much more people oriented. The Army is not. It seems that the Army is much more concerned with soldiers passing boards and getting promotions rather than their true jobs. In the Air Force, (at least the one I was in) You had to know the basics of your job). I have seen so many inept soldiers in charge all because it was thought they SHOULD be in charge because of their rank. I speak from experience.
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Maj Chris Nelson
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I started as an Army Medic, now am an Air Force nurse..... ok, so Enlisted with the Army and Officer with Air Force, but still medical field. Also, keep in mind that this is stretching across time and space....I have been playing in the military since 1987, so much has changed.....

Army: very mission focused. Family was distant second. Quarters, entertainment, and other off duty quality of life aspects were often worn out, old....just less.
Air Force: Very mission focused, but also family was an important aspect. Quarters, and off duty aspects were often much nicer. More offered.

Day to day work: Army is much more of a field operations thought process. Air Force is less so as they have combat reach with aircraft. Just a different feel to things.

Nothing wrong with either one. I for one, miss some of the aspects (tradition, enforced standards, etc) of the Army, but really enjoy the perks of the Air Force in regards to family and facilities.
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SSG Pod Load Technician
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For the most part, I do agree with you SMSgt Barnes. But, it all depends on your chain of command. I will admit, the AF does do a excellent job in taking care of their Airmen
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SMSgt Tony Barnes, could you offer some examples of comparison between the two branches?
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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AF treats even our most junior Airmen as full grown adults for the most part.
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SSgt Andy John
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Maj Nelson, you nailed it. I’m from a military family. My Dad Air Force SNCO, My Big Brother Army Ranger 0-6, 2 Cousins Army and Marine. We see it this way, each tool on the belt is needed and effective for what it does. We joke and give each other shit however if either truly looks down upon another? Get the F out because that person is an ineffective idiot. Our Armed Forces is brilliant and Major your a perfect example. Stay healthy and you can grow a successful career and be set for life. You started enlisted Army in the Medical Field and transitioned into the Air Force as an Officer. I would donate body parts to work with an Officer like that because in my experience they made excellent leaders. I think we have gotten better at in her services learning and respecting one another. I think you would be hard pressed to hear a competent Infantry Soldier give shit to a Air Force Maintainer, AWACS or JStars crew member, Drone Pilot or others. All you need to say is A-10, F-16, B1 or B52 with side dish of Predator or MOAB. War sucks and it’s awefull however this 21 years of sustained combat operations has brought all of us tighter in the fold. Just my opinion.
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
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Comparing Army and Air Force daily life and operations between the two branches is like comparing apples and oranges in some cases but I'll give it a try:
- Mission. Very different missions and orientations. The Army is land based and generally tactically focused while the Air Force is air based and generally strategically focused.
- MOS. The Army has about 125 MOSs. I do not know the number of MOSs in the Air Force. Some MOSs are the same or similar such as engineers, firefighters, and logisticians that are common to both. Others have similar names but different functions such as MPs vs SPs. Others have no counterpart in the other service at all such as infantry, armor, or field artillery MOSs.
- Installations. The Air Force generally has more success with their facilities (barracks, housing, headquarters) than the Army does based upon a different philosophical and tactical approach.
- Deployments. Due to differences in missions, the service approach to deployments is different. Army deployments are 9-12 months because close team work and consistency on the ground are key while Air Force deployments are 3-6 months since air crews themselves should stick together but units are more interchangeable.
- Therefore daily life and operations within the two services depends a lot upon the MOS a person is in within the service. This drives a lot of the other considerations (mission, installation, deployments, etc).
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Maj Chris Nelson
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LTC Labrador, in some regards you are right. Crew Chief always own aircraft, but especially for fighters, they do not get to fly. The best example I can give is in the Army, the driver and assistant driver of Vehicle A are/were stenciled on the windshield and they are the "owners". On aircraft, they do the same thing, but the name is the pilot/copilot (if there is a co....). so they would be the "owners".
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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Dedicated Crew Chiefs have their name on the plane. Normally on the nose gear flap.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM agree with all up to "tactical approach", where RP has cut you off. Another aspect is the shape of the pyramid of force structure. AF invests more money in advanced training and needs to retain their folks longer in order to recoup the investment. Narrower pyramid than the Army. Easier daily life and better creature comforts are part of the retention effort.
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Marissa Valdez
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this helped me a lot! thank you sir.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Compare the Motel 6 to the Hilton that should be a good starting point
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SGT Jay Ehrenfeld
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also transportation required 8 hrs sleep every two hours break for 10 min when driving
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MSgt Tactical Air Control Party (TACP)
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Maj P, while I'm in the Air Force, I've been assigned with the Army for the better part of 20yrs, so I've seen more tents than hotels. With that said, think of it this way. When the convoy comes under attack and fighters with 500lb bombs respond, would you like them to be just as cold/wet/hungy/fatigued as we are on the ground or would you want someone fresh at their sharpest who can disect a complex problem and put the 500lbs on the right side of the FLOT? I'll tell you who gets my vote. I know not all aircrew are on the pointy end but I'd also hate to have my ride out of theater clip a mountain or muff a landing due to fatigue.
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air power doesn't win wars....cold, we, hungry and fatigued is not the best combination as well
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Lt Col Aerospace Planner
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I would say from experiences in the AF are that we are 95% a combat support agency. We are the Fedex and United airlines for the DOD. A small percent of my service is at the tip of the spear with their fangs out. Most of the service is to support those operations.

When someone joins the Air Force the mindset is on this support. What I notice is that the AF enlisted have very diverse and specific career fields that are not parallel to most of the officer positions. The thing I notice from this site is that it seems that this is not always the case with the Army. In the Army if someone becomes an Infantry officer they must learn learn the same corps basics as an enlisted in the infantry. I base this off of previous discussions on this board.

In the Air Force that is not how we do things with minor exceptions to some very specific careers. The AF has officers that oversee enlisted, but the officer is more of a generalist in the specialties and do not get into the very specific details of how their enlisted actually do their jobs. They understand the big picture of the enlisted technical specialty and know what the end product is supposed to be but they are trained at the myopic level as the technician. Take Aircraft MX for instance. The MX officer is not going to be turning wrenches on an airplane. However that person will be responsible for making sure they get the appropriate parts in time and can make sure that the fleet is being managed properly.

As a pilot in a Tanker. My job was to know how to fly the plane. My enlisted boom operator was the expert in the back of the plane to actually do the in flight refueling. I did not know what the exact technical details on how he/she did their job, but I knew what I needed to do in the front to keep a stable platform for them to do theirs.
We put a lot of responsibility on the boom operator. They were my eyes in the back. I relied on the Booms judgement to prevent another aircraft from crashing into us.

In some respects the AF expects a lot of responsibility from our junior enlisted personnel to autonomously do their job without a great deal of supervision. That is because they get the very specialized training and are certified to accomplish what they have been charged to do. We generally do not interfere with their ability since they are technical experts in their realm.
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SGT Journeyman Plumber
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Lt Col (Join to see) To preface this my background is as a combat medic with time assigned to armor, infantry, and cavalry scouts. You're right that Army officers are expected to be as proficient in their knowledge as those they lead, and this is out of necessity and not just limited to officers.

From what I've observed in my corner of the Army is that we place a great deal of importance upon cross training. As a medic I ensured that my platoon was as medically competent as I could make them. I taught training classes and spent time one on one with my fellow soldiers making them as close as I could to a combat medic. This was important for one basic reason. If my platoon were to get into contact, and I were to die or become incapacitated, it was imperative that the remaining combat effective soldiers be capable of providing medical aid in my place.

This mentality extends to all aspects of a combat soldiers job. As a medic I was cross trained on how to be a radio operator, how to shoot move and communicate like an infantryman, how to drive and maintain our vehicles, and many other tasks not a part of my standard medical training. If shit hit the fan we ensured that no single casualty could cripple the platoon by denying the others their skill set.

I can understand why the Air Force would stray from this mentality. As many others have said in this topic we're trying to compare apples and oranges. The Air Force does not have as much of a combat centric outlook on their jobs. With rare exceptions they are not placed in positions where they are liable to be killed denying their peers their expertise. It's understandable that cross training and superiors being as proficient as their subordinates in all things are not a priority. Each service functions as is most practical.
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SPC David S.
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Father was lifer in Air Force I myself choose Army after leaving the Air Force Academy. The biggest difference I noticed was that the Air Force was very procedure focused as apposed to Army was more mission focused. You will never see an F-22 pilot have 2 day stubble as with an M1 tank jockey. Look at it as differences in corporate culture. The Army is focused on a very dynamic environment as Air Force is more static in flying sorties out of a controlled air field. As to housing a very good example was when I lived at Ft. Monroe and then we moved to Langley AFB. Everything was nicer on the AFB. PX, commissary housing, ect...
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I have seen that many AF facilities are better than Army ones.
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SPC David S.
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That is very true. Such the life in the wild blue yonder.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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Two day stubble doesn't allow a mask seal with regulator pressure breathing, so you are correct, you won't see it on a F-22 pilot. Now, maybe on a tanker pilot, like myself, you might catch me on a bad day.
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SPC David S.
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Yes sir there is a method to the madness in the Air Force but it makes sense once you know or understand the reasoning behind it. Much like ROE's, while they might seem counter at times to the mission there are reasons behind such procedures. Some things just have to done by the book. However the Army suited my mindset much better as I see a rubber mallet and a sledge hammer as "a hammer" - you wouldn't want me taking panels off your F-22.
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SSgt Tim Meuret
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I was at an Air Force Unit in Germany that had an MI Detachment assigned and a Marine Detachment as well.

Both my Marine and Army counterparts remarked positively on the Air Force standards for quarters and chow. The Marines described it as Embassy duty without standing out front.

We were all there to do the same mission. Provide Intelligence to the European Theater. My Army counterparts spent more than 50% of their time training for their job and doing daily PT. I never understood why they needed to train for the job. They went to tech school like I did and we were doing the job in real life right there, no simulations and no exercises. We in the Air Force were expected to accomplish our PT on our own and during our off-duty time.

They also made rank faster in the Army then we did and this resulted in many of us working for NCOs with less experience.

Please do not take any of this as negative. It just was strange to me that the day to day requirements of the Army could not be adapted to the mission.

The best officer I worked for during my service was an Army Ranger. He was driven and committed. In contrast the best NCO I ever worked for was an Air Force CMSgt and I worked for a SPC4, 2 GySgt, 2 SSGs, an SFC and 2 TSgts during my 6 years.

An Air Force Colonel once remarked to me that "The AF treats its enlisted personnel well because they maintain and support the aircraft flown by the officers. An unhappy airman would result in downed aircraft and dead pilots."

On a lighter note the Marines, always and consistently, down to a man, looked sharp every day. The AF and the Army had individuals that looked great everyday, but not everyone had the esprit de corps.
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Having spent 10 years in the Air Force enlisted and 3 years in the Army as a Warrant Officer I can see a vast difference in the two Signal fields. I worked primarily in tactical communications for the vast majority of my career and the difference I see is the checks and balances. For example, in the Air Force I had a list of tasks in my training record and was required as a lower enlisted to have an SrA train me and an NCO certify me on a task. At any point QA could pull my training record and force me to perform any task I was signed off on to standard. With the Army it seems the commander can say that a soldier is qualified even if that person cannot perform the task. This then leads into my second point in accountability with the Air Force if I screwed up or if one of my subordinates screwed up they were held to account for their actions. It seems in the Army if a person screws up the first question I have heard asked is what actions did the leadership do to ensure that Soldier would not screw up. There is a shifting of accountability from the culprit to the first line or even the Company Commander.
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The Army does have check-the-block training used to symbolize basic IA/IT knowledge - Phishing, PII, Social Media, Personal Electronic Devices, and the annual cyber awareness training. How much more advanced and/or interactive is the training in the Air Force, CW4 (Join to see)?
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SGT Jacqueem Spratley,

While every branch of service does have the check the block training with regards to IA/IT knowledge. In my opinion the Army is more concerned with actually sending someone to a school rather than the AF which is concerned whether a person can actually do the job. I will give you an example I was an RF Transmission Systems Craftsman and I was required every year to prove that I could do my job. I was trained on tactical systems and my first assignment was a fixed satellite system. I didn’t get to go back to school to learn it instead I had NCOs that taught me everything about the system. With the Army I have personnel that are “school trained” but they can’t do their basic job.
Since I do not like to knock the NCO Corps there are some people that have been promoted before there time. Why do I say they have been promoted before their time because they do not have the basics in how to do their job they know the basics of being a Soldier but they cannot run their systems. While it is true that deployments will slow down in the next couple of years we will be with the problem of lack of NCO training for a while longer than that. Again as stated while every branch has check the block training one should not focus so much on a certificate but rather the competence of a person to do their basic job.
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SSG Christopher Parrish
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Whos better
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LTC Jason Strickland
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Best example I can give was when we went into Haiti in the late 90's for Operation Uphold Democracy. I was with the 10th Mountain Division and we were on Port-Au-Prince Airfield just a couple of days after the operation began. I was literally sleeping on an AF pallet in the open and eating MRE's, while my AF brethren already had air-conditioned tents erected and were flying in fresh fruits and vegetables for their airmen.
Not complaining...just sayin'
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Does the Army, on average, receive more or less funding?
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LTC Jason Strickland
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I don't know. The Army is about 3x the size of the Air Force; however, the AF has more expensive equipment...
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