Posted on Sep 17, 2016
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PTSD out of basic? Night terrors out of AIT? IG and EO complaints? Reports of "hazing" for being dropped for 20 push ups? How do we, as leaders, compensate for the decline of mental toughness in today's new recruits? How can we produce a quality product when we are expected to treat a new E1 with the same respect as an O10?
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SGM Barry Kindred
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Out with the new and back to the old. We are war fighters not social experiments.
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SGM William Heath
SGM William Heath
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SGM W. Heath, as I have told members of Congress the enemy is not gonna give a shot of a soldier id's stressed, they will torture the enemy or anyone else, if we cont to allow this pussy bull shot we are gonna have big issues with our soldiers, we don't make soldiers accountable for being wimps, and it's past time, we need to go back to our old ways and weed out these lil bitches that mom and daddy's raised! Very disappointed in our rules of training. Its time we bring back Motivational seminars and let the soldiers handle this shit like day's of old. Failure is an excuse, that needs to be handled. If we allow weakness then we will be weak. I think we should do away away with recycling, and make them know coming in that this ain't for all, and pursues need not apply!
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LCpl Terry W Rollins
LCpl Terry W Rollins
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They need to return to the draft and back when the military turned out fighters, not whiners. Not speaking for any other branch, but the Marines did just that during Vietnam. The Marines didn't have as many draftees as the Army, but what came out of Marines Boot Camps did just that. I shipped over as a 2511, field wireman, didn't look forward to climbing poles or trees in the jungle, within a week I became a warrior with a radio on my back, humping the bush.
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CPT Bob Coleman
CPT Bob Coleman
2 mo
LCpl Terry W Rollins - I joined a conscript Army and left an all VOLUNTEER FORCE. The draft era I remember was filled with drug, race and motivation problems. Folks who don't want to be there can make very bad teammates. Many did their duty with honor... but there were many more problems in a draft Army.
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CPT Bob Coleman
CPT Bob Coleman
2 mo
I Enlisted in 1970. In those days the mess halls had unofficial "zones" for blacks, whites and Hispanics. Racial tension was palpable. The barracks smelled of weed and the Chain of Command was afraid to say anything. As a Cadet I went on active duty one summer to Ft Meade. The Company Commander had moved his stuff into the Orderly Room for a couple of days before departing. The troops burned the Orderly Room to the ground. That was my impression of the Army in the early 70's. Later, as a civilian in Iraq, I saw a single soldier sitting at a bus stop at Camp Liberty. He had his weapon broken down and was cleaning it. Unsupervised. All on his own. I smiled and thought how wonderful that was... how far the Army had come.
So stop with all the bad news about today's Soldiers! You're breaking my heart!
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SGT Philip Roncari
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I think that the raw material the Military gets today in this all volunteer Army is what the society of present day America is producing,everyone gets a trophy,cars for high school kids,no such things as curfews,and then they join the Military where civilized society as we know it ceases to exist,quite a culture shock to say the least,how to rebuild mental toughness in today's generation probably should start with mommy and daddy taking a little more time telling the kiddies the world is a tough place and everybody doesn't play well with others.
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SSG Paul Headlee
SSG Paul Headlee
2 mo
PFC Scottandkelly Godwin My dad knocked the crap out of me frequently. Being immature, I just thought he was mean. As I got older it became more and more clear that I had every one of those coming. He loved me enough to care and he cared enough to correct me in terms that I could understand. I'd be dead or in prison if it wasn't for him.
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SSG Paul Headlee
SSG Paul Headlee
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter Doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing; it usually pays off.
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SSG Paul Headlee
SSG Paul Headlee
2 mo
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter Absolutely! Now and for many years I spend my excess money on tools, guns, etc.; things that will tend to give decades of use. Alcohol just makes expensive urine.
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CPT Bob Coleman
CPT Bob Coleman
2 mo
SSG Paul Headlee - My dad never hit me and I never hit my kids. When you punish kids you get the 70% effort it takes to avoid getting hit. That translates into "C''s on the report card and no arrests. Hitting your kids focuses them on not getting hit. They will get by. They'll graduate. If you want the 110% that leads to excellence, however, it takes a lot more. "Negative leadership" won't get you there. It takes POSITIVE steps like rewards and helping with studies and sports. It must work, my dad went to Cornell, I went to West Point and my son went to Cornell. The kind of effort that takes was never inspired by a "whuppin'". I found that to be true with Soldiers too. As General Schofield of Civil War fame once wrote in his famous Definition of Discipline: “The discipline which makes the soldiers of a free country reliable in battle is not to be gained by harsh or tyrannical treatment. On the contrary, such treatment is far more likely to destroy than to make an army. It is possible to impart instructions and to give commands in such a manner and in such a tone of voice as to inspire in the soldier no feeling but an intense desire to obey, while the opposite manner and tone of voice cannot fail to excite strong resentment and a desire to disobey. The one mode or other of dealing with subordinates springs from a corresponding spirit in the breast of the commander. He who feels the respect which is due others cannot fail to inspire in them regard for himself; while he who feels, and hence manifests, disrespect towards others, especially his inferiors, cannot fail to inspire hatred against himself.”
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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PO1 (Join to see) IMO it's from being coddled in today's, everyone gets a trophy, society.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
SSgt Boyd Herrst
3 y
When I came back from TDRL I was ready to step in and take charge again, and I got told they could say
No and ask to go see their “social-worker”. Seriously? I asked..
Seriously! Well maybe I overplayed it a bit. But it has seemed to have reached a boiling point these days.
We had a G.I. Party and we’re giving the kitchen a realky good going over.. don’t be telling them to do that.. you got to get right in there and scrub and scour too.. Well first I got to get them going in the ‘right direction’ once I do that I will get doing that Scouring thing..
My job is to lead/ direct.. kind of hard when I’m tied down myself..
got to keep them working ... and not malingering .. Well... don’t say we didn’t tell you, they said... a few tried to play some stuff.. the others got with it and did what they were told... those guys and I had a party after the party.. the whiners
Went and whined some more...
“Hey Sarge, where’s our pizza and beer, huh? I said these guys that stayed and did their job without whining got rewarded.. if you had done that.. you’d of got beer and pizza .. somebody told my top pizza I had to order them whiners a pizza and beer.. I got them the nastiest greeziest pizza and skankiest beer(they wanted their participation trophy.. they got it) I could get hold of..
after that they were too busy taking care of a personal prob to be complaining.. after that point.. when we had a G.I. Party, they were there and did their assigned detail..
no whining... I didn’t buy pizza and beer for participating I bought because my cooks did a fab job w/o complaint. With exception of those others.... I did it cause I wanted to show appreciation not because I had to.. i handle have to’s diffeeently aa you have read..
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SGT Gary Tob
SGT Gary Tob
2 mo
Bring back the good old draft; and start from scratch. Oh wait that's not politically correct, oh well tough for momma boys and girls
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CPT Bob Coleman
CPT Bob Coleman
2 mo
Trophy's have their place. When I Commanded a BCT Company, we took a jock strap, died it pink, stiffened it with glue and mounted it on a plaque. Every PT Test we'd award it to the Platoon with the lowest scores and mounted it at the entrance door to their quonset hut. When our female Armorer didn't get pregnant for an entire training cycle (9.8 weeks), we presented her with an award. (It was all in fun... when she got married, she asked me to give her away. She had no father.)
I understand that there is actually an "award" for getting a military driver license now with some sort of insignia you can wear on your uniform. Is this really true? An award for a driver license? Is there one for being potty trained too?
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
2 mo
CPT Bob Coleman - Award for getting Your drivers license, though the license was the award. I don't lie all kinds of garbage to hang on a uniform anyway, I think it looks foolish, the less the better. I put more stock in being told I did a good job when i di a good job than some award. Being part of the team was the real reward and carrying Your own weight.
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