Posted on Dec 10, 2015
How do you deal with NCOs that severely compromise the corps Values?
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An NCO that everyone is afraid to tell on. Screams at his soldiers and fellow NCOs. Belittles people. Keeps his Soldiers late at work for no reason. The list can go on. Everyone has had an experience like this, where you either grow with a peer and see them become toxic, or get to a unit where the toxicity already exists. If you're trying to remain professional with said unprofessional, what would you do?
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 35
Pull him to the side SSG. Whether he is the same rank or a subordinate. Be professional and get your point across. It has worked for me.
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SSG (Join to see)
He may not realize he is as bad as he is... There have been some poor NCO leaders out there... Time for the good ones to step up.. Always choose the "hard right" over the easy wrong.. You are an NCO a Leader on men. your job is to make him a better NCO there you where at that rank, give him the tools he needs, he will either fly or fail..
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Don't be afraid of that guy, pull him to the side and say something. You are a leader for a reason and your judgement has been proven. Chances are leadership already knows he's a chode and they're probably hoping his peers square him away.
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SFC (Join to see)
Dude he's a complete weasel. A super chode. I have a plan and I hate seeing peers act stupid towards soldiers. I will confront this problem.
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2LT Earl Dean
SFC (Join to see) - Document! Document Document! Back your happy ass up with Documentation! Been there and done that! It backfired! If you dont document you cant prove it and chances are his men wont back you up for fear of him!
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Where is this Sergeants PLT SGT? Where is his 1SG? Have any of the Soldiers made a complaint on this "Sergeant"? I use the title "Sergeant" being a NCO wouldn't do dumb stuff like this for no reason. If the rest of the section or unit is "afraid" to deal with this person, then that's a leadership failure on their parts. No reason for you to be part of that mess. If you know it's happening and fail to act on it, what does that say for you as a NCO? I'm not calling you out, just speaking to the situation. "Accomplishment of the mission and the welfare of my Soldiers". They might not be yours personally, but you are above them in rank, so they are YOUR troops too.
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SSG Audwin Scott
SFC (Join to see) - well you just said a mouthful, you are the EO of the company, it's your duty to address the NCO.
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SSG Audwin Scott
SSG Warren Swan - I couldn't agree with you more. I damn near left the Army without my stripes because I was a no tolerance for BS and I literally had to put my hands on some NCO's in my time, was I right probably not, but you best believe I got my point across!
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SSG Warren Swan
SFC (Join to see) - I hope you do MANY repeated PLF's in this Sergeants third point of contact. No need for clowns to do that to Soldiers just "because". It's not right, and if his home life sucks so bad that he needs to bring down others to his level of pain, then he needs a career change where he can suck all by himself. You're the EO rep? Well now......let the party begin!!
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You want the truth? You can't handle the truth lol, just kidding. Seriously though I personally would take the NCO to the side and see if I can talk to them and see what's going on in their lives to see why they are being a blatant asshole. Of course this depends on their rank and how you make this approach. I have had run ins with senior NCO's when I was a buck SGT and I held my own on a one on one basis if you know what I mean.
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I know exactly what you mean, that seems to be the action of choice. Thanks for the input?
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When I was a SGT I had a pos SFC .. he gave me the opportunity to speak freely once.. I was respectful and to the point.. he didn't like it and wrote a beautiful counseling statement ,, the CSM threw it out and said.. If you don't want a soldiers opinion then don't ask for it, give it to him.
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Yeah SSG, I gotta agree with these two fellas. Pull the guy over to the side and have a man to man conversation with him. Regardless if you know him personally or not. We, leaders, harp constantly to "police your own" when dealing with joe and handing out punishments. Yet, we are most of the time the absolute worse at following this practice. Chances are you won't get through to him on the first shot, but consistency is key. Figure out what's going on with the guy and target the issues. Eventually he'll come around or the command will notice it and move him elsewhere. Also your subordinates, like children do, see and hear everything. They'll notice you trying to square the guy away and respect you that much more for trying to adjust a peer.
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SSG (Join to see)
Never understood giving a E-1 - E-4 and Art. 15 and taking rank and pay for writing a bad check.. Send them to budget classes and teach them..
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I had a E7 like that never bother me until I was his Target. I for one know how to follow I also know how to lead. I did everything ask of me. The day came where he did something completely illegal and in formation and I blew up. I ask to speak to him aside and freely. I let him know that what he did was un call for and illegal Keeping my composer. He didn't like it at all I ask to use the open door policy after he was done with me. Went to Toc and the Captain about a week after they conducted a investigation he was strip and had to formally apologize in formation for his action. When I said strip I don't mean his rank but of his being able to lead the troops. I did not take it personnel until he made it that way. Every one has a different way of leading that comes with how you are taught but at the same time some have underline issues that need to be address.
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That is a tough one SSG I'm going with this person is your equal or senior or you would have probably handled this yourself. You have several options in this. Pull the person aside and advise or express what is being said within your group. Take it up a notch by going above this person, I would note that if you select this option I would get witnesses to write their experiences formally, collect them and then advise your superior of your efforts to help this NCO or their refusal to change. JMO I have been out for along time and things have changed allot.
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SFC (Join to see) Clearly, you have Identified the problem. Now, when you speak to this NCO describe it to them in a non-threatening way accurately and objectively. Express your concern. Ask them for their perspective and if they understand the behavior their displaying. Show them that if they they can change this behavior it will benefit them as well as their Soldiers.
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I've experienced this a few times. Try talking to him and ask him how his life is going. Maybe he's having trouble at home. Maybe he has PTSD issues he hasn't dealt with.
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