Posted on Dec 5, 2015
LTC Jason Strickland
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Take the time to read this short article and let the rest of our RallyPoint community know your thoughts on religious expression in our armed forces. The author opines that US Air Force Academy players praying in the end zone before a football game is taboo - and reflects a much larger problem of religious expression in the military. While cadets don't necessarily reflect the military establishment as a whole, this does stimulate an excellent conversation. Do you agree? If you're the supervisor of a unit, how would you respond? Ultimately, is this an authorized activity under UCMJ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-b-wilkerson/religion-in-iraq-syria-af_b_8711724.html
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PO1 John Johnson
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It is what it is; someone's Constitutionally protected "Freedom of Religion". I you don't like it, don't participate but don't be a dick and try to interrupt others who have faith or try to get it cancelled, end of story. You have Freedom of Religion, not Freedom from Religion. Not listening or participating if you don't like it works wonders.
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SFC S2 Intelligence Ncoic
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I wish more and more service members attended Church.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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We are largely a Christian country whether the liberals or atheists want to agree and what I worry about when a group military Christians come together to pray in mass like a football team that the lone Muslim or Jew or Atheist feels left out. Our roles as leaders is to make everyone feel included and part of the team. We should not keep these players from praying but should teach these future leaders about inclusion and being part of a greater team. I personally try my hardest that no one, whether when I was active duty or as a nurse, knows my religious beliefs. Capt Gregory Prickett
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LTC David Brown
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Pray before the game as a voluntary group and pray after the game as a volunteer group, while on the field follow the rules.
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CPL George Cruz
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Its It's all good when its it's your religion or one that you tolerate, but when it is one that you don't approve of, that's a different story. Then we start finding excuses why it isn't appropriate. When we look at the middle east and how they are forced to worship, I start seeing why it is best to keep religion out of your day to day military life. Not to say you cant worship on your time, but don't bring it to work.
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Cpl Software Engineer
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Considering it's a first amendment right guaranteed to the sovereign individual, the members should be free to express their beliefs to the point they do not use it as a crutch to get out of their military obligations. For example, joining a Jehovah's Witness church then proclaiming conscientious objector status. Or "I have to go to church and can't stand duty..." That dog don't hunt.
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LTC Jason Strickland
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Thanks for your perspective, Cpl (Join to see).
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PFC Stephen Eric Serati
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No Sir it's not authorized.Your allowed to worship in your off time,and if you worship while in the field all Religions must be represented.But your job as leaders is not to push your Religious beliefs or allow others to push their Religious beliefs on those in your command.Separation of Church and State.Our military is so great because of its diversity and mutual respect for all.If I was the supervisor any public showing emplicating the military as excepting one religion over another or atheism would not be allowed.
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LTC Jason Strickland
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Thanks for your input, PFC Stephen Eric Serati - much appreciated.
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SPC David S.
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I know Mr. Weinstein is a USAFA graduate and served in the Air Force - he stated that he experienced on numerous occasions anti-semitic aggression while at the USAFA. However both of his sons attended "the hill" as well. If it was as bad as he suggests it makes me question his reasoning in allowing his sons to be exposed to such behavior.

As far as COL Wilkerson, I have a funny feeling he's pushing an agenda along the like of Mr. Weinstein. He Just happened to "invite" Mr. Weinstein to speak at William and Mary and then writes this crap. He seems like a good "liberal" fit for a college professor. I'm sure he is not pushing this opinion down the throats of his students. It seems OK to push anti-religion (using a verse from the Bible), which to me is a position on religion, yet others (Christians) are not offered the same liberties. Very hypocritical, biased, and unconstitutional in my opinion. No one forced the cadets to pray in the end zone as there were a couple that didn't pray. Additionally none of these players are in the military - their cadets. Sounds like Wilkerson was being very opportunistic in getting his agenda published.
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PO2 Operations Specialist
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Recently, my command had a barbecue. It was a great time. There was wings, pork loin (wrapped in bacon), football, lacrosse, cornhole, and a great crew. There was also a prayer before the meal.
I'm an atheist. So when the prayer came around, I bowed my head. Out of respect for my crew. Is that the right thing to do? Would another atheist (or Muslim, Jew, etc.) do the same? Maybe. But at the end of the day....... who cares. We all have this thing called "religious freedom". I can bow my head if I want. I can stand still if I want. They can pray to Allah, God, Satan, whoever. That's the glory of America. At least.... it should be.
Far as I'm concerned, as soon as we joined the military, we all should have already known people come from different backgrounds. In a perfect world, we all would understand this. Understand that some people pray to another god than you do. Or maybe they don't pray to a god at all.
If it's one thing I leaned about the Navy, it's primarily Christian. Maybe we can all agree to that. But that's just one thing I noticed. It doesn't bother me. So, IN THEORY, it shouldn't bother the Muslim, Jewish, etc. community. But clearly... this post wouldn't exist if it didn't.
Maybe one day... we'll all just be OK with our neighbor practicing something contradictory to what we practice. We'll respect the differences. Hell, we might even inquire about them. Learn a thing or 2 about their religious practice.
So how do I feel about religious expression in the military? I'm for it. Please do so. You have that freedom. I can choose to play along if I want. I can ignore it. Nothing can happen to me if I decide not to pray with you. The Ceremonial Guard in Washington D.C. even changed their drill to accommodate religious differences. They used to bow their heads for the (mostly Christian) invocation in some ceremonies. They changed that so the non-religious (or mostly non-Christian) members performing in the ceremony didn't have to bow their heads for prayer. The Christian members can pray along (as long as they didn't move while doing it), the Muslims can pray to Allah, the atheists can... do whatever....
I wish this question didn't even have to be asked. But I understand why it does.
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CDR William Kempner
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Very sage comment. Well said.
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Maj Matt Hylton
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AFI1-1:
"2.11. Government Neutrality Regarding Religion. Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. For example, they must avoid the actual or apparent use of their position to promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for any religion. Commanders or supervisors who engage in such behavior may cause members to doubt their impartiality and objectivity. The potential result is a degradation of the unit’s morale, good order, and discipline. Airmen, especially commanders and supervisors, must ensure that in exercising their right of religious free expression, they do not degrade morale, good order, and discipline in the Air Force or degrade the trust and confidence that the public has in the United States Air Force."

"actual or APPARENT USE" - that is the past that applies in most cases. If the appearance of extending preferential treatment for one religion vs. another could be seen, you should avoid it. There is even a part of the article that shows a great example of the implications that could happen due to appearance of the use of position to promote religious beliefs or extend preferential treatment:
Here's what one football team member had to say: "It is certain cadets on the team who are viewed as leaders (and even some who are not but still have team influence) who are leading the public praying. If you don't go along with it you are not going to be viewed as a good follower or teammate."

That right there is an example of something that degrades morale, good order and discipline. If someone doesn't want to do something but goes along with it because they believe they could experience ramifications from not going along with leaders (or someone with "team influence"), then that is impacting morale, good order and discipline.
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Maj John Bell
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The litmus test is "coercive influence" not "It makes me uncomfortable" I admit that is a very fine line, and easy to trip over. But there is no Human or Civil right to freedom of philosophical discomfort.
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