Posted on Sep 12, 2016
SSG Steven Mangus
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I think this would strengthen the ties that bind Americans together as a nation.
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SGT Michael Glenn
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Seeing how millennial's behave today Id say yes, but having said that I think the standards in the military need to go back to the way they were when I served and before, there should never be any discussion of a soldier being able to question a NCO on anything unless it would risk life or limb.
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TSgt Dawn Premock
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I agree that every American citizen should go in the military, but it should be for more than 1 year. If you think about it, the first year is mostly training. I was sent to Korea for my first assignment in 1986. That gave me a greater appreciation for our freedom and our country. The generation today needs to learn respect.
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I would agree that there are a lot of kids today that need to learn respect, for a lot of things, but I am not so sure that forcing them into military service is the way to do it. Maybe some other form of national service?
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SGT William Howell
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I am against it. In 2004 we took anything breathing and would volunteer. As an MP investigator I can't tell you how much my workload increased. No telling what senior NCOs had to go through for things that did not make it to criminal investigations. These were people that thought they wanted to be in the military. I can't even imagine what would happen to good order and discipline if we forced people to join. In my humble Buck SGT opinion, we are much more combat effective with 2 million professionals than with 4 million problem children.
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SFC J Fullerton
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The first question would be is it really needed? Does the military currently need to be bigger than what an all volunteer force can sustain? The procurement standards for the services fluctuates on its authorized end strength. Downsizing = higher standards, fewer waivers. Upsizing = relaxed standards, more waivers. The Army was able to meet its increased recruiting mission in the '00's at the cost of lowering standards and waiving more applicants that would not have been otherwise qualified. Despite there being obvious drawbacks to lower standards, the military was still being manned by volunteers. To make military service compulsory, the standards would have to be lowered even further or thrown completely out the window, and compounded by the fact that those SM's would not be there under their own free will. That in itself would be a detriment to good order and discipline. Perhaps it would be a necessary trade-off in a conventional WWIII scenario where the military needed tens of thousands of replacements for casualties. But currently speaking, it would not be practical let alone necessary.
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Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D.
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At 19 I was drafted, obviously then immediately volunteered and stayed for a career. I don't think enough young males during the Vietnam War would have volunteered to meet combat and mission support efforts. So my answer is - it depends on the size and scope of the situation. Iif we wind up in an all out declared war - we will need the draft.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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Well, draft is still there on the books, just not used under all volunteer military. It can certainly be resurrected If needed.
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SSG Waldo Yamada
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I still believe that every 18 year old still has to go to USPS and sign the SS form. It's a fallback plan. Doing away with it and mismanaging troops will lead to less boots on the ground for a war of this century that turns on a whim within nanoseconds.
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SSG Waldo Yamada
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Conscription, a more crude term but I'm a weak swimmer and drank a lot of seasalt before so the term doesn't hurt me.
I see it as a mechanism for those who never joined the Eagle Scouts or Girl Scouts; like myself, to relearn a mechanism that brings up a higher competative edge after the service. This way productivity after military service is much higher. LTC (Join to see) -
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And that is a good point...would military service make people better citizens once their time was up and they rotated back into the civilian sector?
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SSG Waldo Yamada
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It goes back to ASVAB and aptitude. I did not have a high GT score so I did the second one to better understand English as a second language. It does make a person with a sense of duty and pride. Also functionality and ability to conform in any situation based on experience and length of time in service. If caught on with politics and the strategic spectrum at a macro level. I'd still be in service and perhaps having the honor to be one of the elites. LTC (Join to see) -
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SSG Waldo Yamada
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'I' my opposable thumb doesn't like qwerty keys.SSG Waldo Yamada -
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
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As a practice doesn't it lower the quality of the force? It would seem that leading people who have chosen to be there is a less difficult endeavor.
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Yes, I would think that it would indeed lower the quality. I fully believe that an all-volunteer force ensures that the most qualified, trainable people are what fill our ranks. Sure there are people in the military who don't want to be here or can't hack it, but they are by no means the majority and they usually don't last long at all, clearing out and making room for those who want to, and can, serve.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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The first question I asked when I arrived at the base was "wow; those ships are really finished nice. I wonder who paints them?" I got my answer that day! Now...go back in time and look in your job catalog. Not a Navy job called "Painter" is there? Theres a ton of people who get "given" a job that they don't want to do. Why? Cuz it has to be done. So not really a good analogy.

When people ask me what I did in the Navy, my answer is "when?" "On paper" I was an admin officer. Once the lines dropped and we got to sea there was no mail or telephone. So guess what? I was a cook, ships photographer, torpedo firer, look out, radio operator, etc. Yet - legally - I didn't ask for those jobs.
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
SCPO Jason McLaughlin
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PO3 Donald Murphy - Big difference between being given a task you don't like (painting wasn't your job), and being forced to live a lifestyle you would never chose.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin - Many of our allies during the Cold War 1980's still had mandatory conscription. "Paid vacation with the opportunity to blow things up" was how my Italian friend put it. It was only two years. By the time he realized he'd been at sea for a year, he was asked to try the army out for a year, which he did. He was told he was going to be a wheeled APC driver. Six weeks of that was intensive "combat/defensive driving" which was an extremely valuable skill for him today as he drives in and around Rome.

There are a lot of Americans who join TODAY that are beholden to the military for college and who's heart really isn't in to it, but the military pays the college loan, so they muddle through. Most of Europe's "conscription" was "9-5" military. You showed up in uniform in the morning, did your "stuff" then went home in the evening to your own home. So thats an angle that could get looked at, I guess.
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Honestly, I'm down for it.
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Part of me wants to see it occur, just to instill a sense of patriotism and pride in the majority of today's youth, but then the other part of me wants nothing to do with, primarily because of the majority of today's youth!
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LTC (Join to see) - My two cents on conscription is this:

1) It will solve unemployment. Maybe not on a complete grand scale, but enough to make the numbers better and to actually start making a difference.
2) It will teach people a skill. And even if they don't stay in for the long haul, when they get out they will be more productive members of society.

Yes, if this were to happen, there would be some hiccups and headaches in the initial start-up, but I think after some time has passed and it becomes the norm, I think things would stabilize and become beneficial for the Nation.
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I served on active duty from 1960 to 1975. During that time we had the draft and in the Air Force we had the volunteers who did so to avoid being drafted. Most were good troops, but there was a few who were not.

No I do not agree with mandatory service unless that man power need can not be met by those who truly want to serve.
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SGT David T.
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I am not a fan of this at all. It was hard enough leading volunteers but leading troops forced to be there would be even more difficult. Considering Soldiers cannot be hit anymore, this would not work very well at all.
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