Posted on Sep 19, 2014
How does the army calculate time in service for members who transfer from Active duty to National guard or vice versa
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For members who currently was active duty that switch over to the National guard.... how does the time get implemeted to when they can retire knowing it's 20 years for a retirement in Active and 30 years for National Guard
Posted 11 y ago
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I would like to let you know about 2 web sites. They are both from Army Human Recourses Command but they apply to all services. The first is a retirement calculator this will do the math that SFC Stephen P. gave for you and the second is information about the NDAA for 2008 which authorized early retirement pay (not other retirement benefits) for being called up while in the Reserves or National Guard.
The NDAA for 2008 reduces the retirement age for Reserve Component (RC) Soldiers from 60 to a lesser age, but not below age 50, for those who have served on Active Duty (AD) in an eligible status on or after 29 Jan 08.
https://www.hrc.army.mil/calculators/retirementcalc.aspx
https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/REDUCED%20AGE%20RETIREMENT
The NDAA for 2008 reduces the retirement age for Reserve Component (RC) Soldiers from 60 to a lesser age, but not below age 50, for those who have served on Active Duty (AD) in an eligible status on or after 29 Jan 08.
https://www.hrc.army.mil/calculators/retirementcalc.aspx
https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/REDUCED%20AGE%20RETIREMENT
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SSG Maurice P.
CSM SKIBYAK THANK YOU, i got on the sanctuary program when we came home from iraq the army let me stay on orders until i got 20 active duty years in i had 14 active reserve and 20 active...
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SGT (Join to see)
If I am ps National Guard. How do they calculate my time in service for age requirements? Is it years served or days on Active duty?
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Well first off it is not 30 years for the Guard/Reserve. It is still 20 years. The points you earn for (active/guard/reserve) are totaled up and multiplied by a %factor based on the number of years served TOTAL. That and your pay grade at retirement determine your retired pay. I have over 6700 points and will get about $3100 a month at age 60. Don't get me started on that tangent. still gripes me that it has never changed since 1949.
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Capt (Join to see)
Years are calculated by the total points/360.
One point for every day of active duty. One point for training assembly (a week end is four) And as said some points for correspondence courses. Good luck.
One point for every day of active duty. One point for training assembly (a week end is four) And as said some points for correspondence courses. Good luck.
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Active to RC:
1 day of active duty = 1 retirement point (points also awarded for inactive duty, correspondence courses, and membership)
50 retirement points in a year is a qualifying year for non-regular retirement.
20 qualifying years authorizes non-regular retirement at age 60.
For RC to AC:
Subtract all and only active duty points from the date of accession to adjust the BASD. Inactive duty points are only factored in with the percentage at retirement.
Basic formula (for regular and non-regular retirement):
Average of the highest 36 months of base pay (for most of us anyway) X retirement points / 365 * 2.5%
1 day of active duty = 1 retirement point (points also awarded for inactive duty, correspondence courses, and membership)
50 retirement points in a year is a qualifying year for non-regular retirement.
20 qualifying years authorizes non-regular retirement at age 60.
For RC to AC:
Subtract all and only active duty points from the date of accession to adjust the BASD. Inactive duty points are only factored in with the percentage at retirement.
Basic formula (for regular and non-regular retirement):
Average of the highest 36 months of base pay (for most of us anyway) X retirement points / 365 * 2.5%
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30 years? Unless it's changed which I highly doubt it is 20 years combined Active/Reserve/Guard duty. If you don't have 20 years Active duty you don't start collecting until you turn age 60.
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SGT (Join to see), it's done on a point basis. Let's start with Active Duty. You get one point per day of service. At 20 years, you get 2.5% of your base pay for every year, or 50% total. If you serve 21 years, you get 52.5%
Guard and Reserves get 2 point for every day of drill time (that's our weekend training assemblies) plus 1 point for every day of active duty, plus 15 membership points and points for schooling. Except for active duty points, there is a cap on how many we can get. (It used to be 90, but I've been out for a while and it may have changed.)
So take me for example. 38 years total service, of which just over 26 counted (for various reasons.) I earned 4200 points. Divide 4200 by 365 means I get credit for just under 12 years of active duty service. 12 times 2.5 comes to 30% of my base pay as my retirement pay. But another penalty we pay is that I can't draw my retirement pay until I turn 60 years of age.
Now it is possible to go the other way. If you serve your last 8 years on active duty, then you get to retire from active duty at the active duty pay rate, assuming you had 12 good years before hand. So if you joined the Guard, served 12 years, then managed to go active and serve 8 more, you could retire as if you had done the entire 20 on active. I have never heard of anyone who managed it.
Guard and Reserves get 2 point for every day of drill time (that's our weekend training assemblies) plus 1 point for every day of active duty, plus 15 membership points and points for schooling. Except for active duty points, there is a cap on how many we can get. (It used to be 90, but I've been out for a while and it may have changed.)
So take me for example. 38 years total service, of which just over 26 counted (for various reasons.) I earned 4200 points. Divide 4200 by 365 means I get credit for just under 12 years of active duty service. 12 times 2.5 comes to 30% of my base pay as my retirement pay. But another penalty we pay is that I can't draw my retirement pay until I turn 60 years of age.
Now it is possible to go the other way. If you serve your last 8 years on active duty, then you get to retire from active duty at the active duty pay rate, assuming you had 12 good years before hand. So if you joined the Guard, served 12 years, then managed to go active and serve 8 more, you could retire as if you had done the entire 20 on active. I have never heard of anyone who managed it.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I was in the guard and reserves 23+ years and then went active duty. I am a officer with 15years this april. I have my 20 year letter from the reserves. If I calculate all 23+ years as good years plus the 15years what am I looking at?
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SGM (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see) this really is a question you should take to Personnel. You see, part of the problem is what you actually retire from. It USED to be that whatever service you spent the last 8 years in, is what you retired from. So if your last 8 years was active, you get an active duty retirement.
But I can't imagine that you will get a 38 year retirement.
I'm fairly sure the minimum will be the points you earned in reserve duty divided by 365 (in other words, full years) plus the years you served on active duty will be the years you get counted for. Multiply that number by 2.5% will give you an estimate of your retirement percentage. Just some quick math, your 23 good reserve years, assuming 60 point years, would give you about 4 years to add to your 15 active duty years, or 19 years, which would yield 47.5% of your current base pay in retirement.
But I am not an HR specialist, and even if I were, I don't have any pull with those who determine the final amount.
I hope this is obvious, but GET IT IN WRITING before you pull the plug. Once you are gone, they can say anything they want, including, "Too bad, so sad, sucks to be you."
But I can't imagine that you will get a 38 year retirement.
I'm fairly sure the minimum will be the points you earned in reserve duty divided by 365 (in other words, full years) plus the years you served on active duty will be the years you get counted for. Multiply that number by 2.5% will give you an estimate of your retirement percentage. Just some quick math, your 23 good reserve years, assuming 60 point years, would give you about 4 years to add to your 15 active duty years, or 19 years, which would yield 47.5% of your current base pay in retirement.
But I am not an HR specialist, and even if I were, I don't have any pull with those who determine the final amount.
I hope this is obvious, but GET IT IN WRITING before you pull the plug. Once you are gone, they can say anything they want, including, "Too bad, so sad, sucks to be you."
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MSG David Johnson
Maj James Haley,
This is a very convoluted and confusing subject.
Some of us retired under different titles and were considered "Grey Area" retirees.
I had my 20 year letter prior to my deployments in 2004-05, and 2006-07.
When I was injured and went through MEB/PEB it was a different title, I dont recall which off the top of my head.
Combined service I had 9 years AD, 1 year NG, and 15 years Reserve with 2 deployments.
When they did the calculations for retirement it calculated out to 13 years 4 months and 20 days. Or something close on the days.
But because of the Title, years of service over a certain amount and a Medical Retirement, it made it an AD retirement.
This is just an example to show how convoluted these calculations can get. I too was counting points for years trying to figure out where I could gain more to help out. Inputting all the numbers into HRC's retirement calculator. You just never know until it's time to jump off. You might have a ballpark figure, but until that clerk gives you the numbers, that's pretty much all it is, ballpark.
Especially when you've got variables like you have.
Good kuck.
This is a very convoluted and confusing subject.
Some of us retired under different titles and were considered "Grey Area" retirees.
I had my 20 year letter prior to my deployments in 2004-05, and 2006-07.
When I was injured and went through MEB/PEB it was a different title, I dont recall which off the top of my head.
Combined service I had 9 years AD, 1 year NG, and 15 years Reserve with 2 deployments.
When they did the calculations for retirement it calculated out to 13 years 4 months and 20 days. Or something close on the days.
But because of the Title, years of service over a certain amount and a Medical Retirement, it made it an AD retirement.
This is just an example to show how convoluted these calculations can get. I too was counting points for years trying to figure out where I could gain more to help out. Inputting all the numbers into HRC's retirement calculator. You just never know until it's time to jump off. You might have a ballpark figure, but until that clerk gives you the numbers, that's pretty much all it is, ballpark.
Especially when you've got variables like you have.
Good kuck.
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I was going to answer, but it has already been answered. Sfc Stephen P has the right answer.
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You can retire from the National Guard at twenty years. As long as you don't have a break in service, it will be 20 years from your PEBD.
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SGT (Join to see)
Thank you SFC Thomas, but can you retire and receive a full retirement at that twenty years or would it be just be partial?
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MSG (Join to see)
The only way to get an immediate 50% pension after 20 years is to complete either 20 years of Active Duty or AGR duty. The pension for traditional M day soldiers do not start until one turns 60 years old, and the amount you receive is based on your highest rank held, amount of points, and years of service.
More info is available here:
https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Reserve%20Component%20Retirements
More info is available here:
https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Reserve%20Component%20Retirements
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1SG (Join to see)
how does the retirement work for a Soldier with 20 active years and 11 reserve years?
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I got out of the Army in 1975 and went into the reserves and Year and a half later in 1976 I enlisted in the Navy and retired 11 yrs later. I was told that my reserve time counted for retirement but not pay. I had to do an extra year before I retired.
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