Posted on Dec 22, 2016
How does voter verification work in California?
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This seems to be a huge mystery in mainstream media and the general populace.
At this point, we know that California does not require ID to vote in most polling stations. We also know that illegal immigrants can get driver's licenses in California. What measures are in place to prevent voter fraud?
At this point, we know that California does not require ID to vote in most polling stations. We also know that illegal immigrants can get driver's licenses in California. What measures are in place to prevent voter fraud?
Voting
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Elections
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SSG Jessica Bautista
SFC George Smith - Okay, I'm an idiot. I know who he is, I just had a lapse in brain function. Anyway, answer is still wrong. :)
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
I remember when all you heard about moon beam was that he was dating Linda Ronstadt. And he would not move into the Govenors mansion.
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Having been a California Resident for the past 24 years and voted in every election, I can say that there is plenty of ways for people to commit voter fraud. Registering to vote is done on the honor system. With the huge increase of mail in ballots, there is nothing to prevent someone from either making up voter reg forms or having unwitting people like the elderly register and filling out and mailing out ballots for them. If you have the name and address of registered voters and know they have moved or don't intend to vote there is nothing stopping you from going to polling places and casting votes. There are two lists that are checked off. Your Name and your address. There is no photo or description of you, You just sign and receive a ballot. If you have a group of 20 people with a list of names, addresses and polling places in a decent size city they can probably vote 20 times each. That's 400 votes each.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
SSG Jessica Bautista - Yes, California is actually very efficient in getting information out to people to vote, however, a lot of the registration is taking people's word on their place of residence and citizenship.
One thing that is often overlooked in Voter Registration drives (Country-wide) a party can register numerous people,( Fake or dead), but unless someone shows up, Identifies themselves and fills out a ballot its just a number on the rolls. Unfortunately if someone ties in a fraudulent voter with a mail in ballot,all bets are off. I'm a firm believer in passing Voter ID laws.
One thing that is often overlooked in Voter Registration drives (Country-wide) a party can register numerous people,( Fake or dead), but unless someone shows up, Identifies themselves and fills out a ballot its just a number on the rolls. Unfortunately if someone ties in a fraudulent voter with a mail in ballot,all bets are off. I'm a firm believer in passing Voter ID laws.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
SSG Jessica Bautista - To be honest I don't know if they ever try to follow up on the form. It's been years since I have registered, but I just remember filling out the form that asked if I was a US citizen. Since I already had a DL from another state I didn't have to provide any other documentation. My Daughter registered to vote when she got her license. Again it was her filling out a form, however to get her license itself it required a birth certificate, but it made no difference where she was born, It was to verify her age and identity.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
https://covr.sos.ca.gov/Home/MainForm This is an online registration form to vote from CA
Online Voter Registration - California Secretary of State
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Prevent voter fraud? California encourages voter fraud. This is why I believe that Hillary's popular lead in the vote would evaporate If all illegal votes were identified and culled out
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SSG Jessica Bautista
Lol oh, but they do have very strict voting laws. The question is, who knows what they are?
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This article purports to explain it all. I find the lack of detail on how citizenship will be verified, discouraging to say the least.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-me-pol-ca-motor-voter-law-20151016-html-htmlstory.html
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-me-pol-ca-motor-voter-law-20151016-html-htmlstory.html
Here's how California's new voter registration law will work
California has received a lot of attention in recent days for its new voter registration law, which is intended to streamline the process of signing up to vote and encourage more participation in elections.Here’s what we know — and don’t know yet — about the new law: What is the process? When...
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SGM Erik Marquez
PO3 Donald Murphy - You did something
More than I exspected
You did what inexspected
You opined issues with EC and then self supported with opinion as to why your issues are the only right thing
More than I exspected
You did what inexspected
You opined issues with EC and then self supported with opinion as to why your issues are the only right thing
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PO3 Donald Murphy
On the contrary. You can't call the world, self supported. Now...having lived overseas due to an Air Force dad, I got to see how the world works. And everywhere BUT US does it. So it's not - much as you would like - "my opinion." Its the world's opinion. We are the only nation that votes the way we do. So theres 330 million of us versus several billion.
And sadly, it does work where its done. Germany is still Germany. France is still France. England is still England. Japan is still Japan, right?
Now, one thing that would keep OMOV from working would be time constraints. No other nation has them. We in the USA are tied to a four year election cycle. No such thing in Europe/Asia, etc. They can have elections every month if they want. So that aspect would keep you safe if you felt that a mob would elect a horrible president and we'd have to wait four years to vote him/her out.
And sadly, it does work where its done. Germany is still Germany. France is still France. England is still England. Japan is still Japan, right?
Now, one thing that would keep OMOV from working would be time constraints. No other nation has them. We in the USA are tied to a four year election cycle. No such thing in Europe/Asia, etc. They can have elections every month if they want. So that aspect would keep you safe if you felt that a mob would elect a horrible president and we'd have to wait four years to vote him/her out.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
By the way, I added some books at the end of my long answer for you to get to in your spare time...
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Capt John Schmitt
Same token to old question. most of the world allow anyone to vote.. look at mexico, there are more Mexicans in Chicago that vote in Mexican elections than in Mexico City according to the Mexican consulate in Chicago. I think they meant in a larger area - but same sentiment. Anyone of any sort of Mexican herritage votes in Mexico.
Contrast that with China where less than 1/2 of 1% of the population are eligible to run for office and vote in elections. Have to be a verified communist party member. Russia has the same system, but you only have to be a professed Communist party member to run for office, anyone can vote, not that it will be counted, but you can vote.
Like voting from overseas as an Ex-Pat or Military, you can get the ballot and vote, but depending on your home voting district it may not be counted in the state tally of total popular votes.
Contrast that with China where less than 1/2 of 1% of the population are eligible to run for office and vote in elections. Have to be a verified communist party member. Russia has the same system, but you only have to be a professed Communist party member to run for office, anyone can vote, not that it will be counted, but you can vote.
Like voting from overseas as an Ex-Pat or Military, you can get the ballot and vote, but depending on your home voting district it may not be counted in the state tally of total popular votes.
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MAJ (Join to see)
It makes me weep for this nation that so many ostensibly smart, educated individuals can't grasp that just because you filled out a registration doesn't mean your name is actually added to the voter rolls. Your registration has to be validated first. In every state. There are no states that have an exception to this.
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MAJ (Join to see)
It also makes me weep that so many ostensibly smart, educated individuals, when presented with the information that Voter ID prevents only the rarest kind of voter fraud (with an average of one or two credible *cases* per election nationwide), but often exacerbates the worst kind (mass voter suppression, which affects millions of valid citizens), just keep doubling down on the stupidity.
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MSgt George Cater
MAJ (Join to see) - Okay. I'm a dumb grunt. Explain to me briefly if you will how photo voter ID excludes anyone or facilitates 'mass voter suppression'. I'd like to see an actual suppressed voter who doesn't possess a photo ID used in their everyday life to buy cigarettes/alcohol, cash a check, etc. Voter suppression is detestable if it excludes genuine citizens. Ensuring the pool of voters is valid is common sense.
Thanks for your input.
Thanks for your input.
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SSG Jessica Bautista
MSgt George Cater - A quick Google search could give you many examples. The most disenfranchised voters are the poor, disabled, or elderly. Although, I saw a poll floating around that suggested millennials were targeted this year.
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Someone help me out? Please post that picture where it shows what your ass for when you're asked to show your identification. When you get pulled over when you register for school when you go to the hospital when you get married when you check in to fly out of the country. When you're boarding a plane. But not when you vote... ACLU how to come up with this crap?
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MAJ (Join to see)
Let's look at it another way: Keeping and bearing arms is a right. Should you have to carry an ID in order to open-carry a pistol? As long as the constitutional claim of the 2nd Amendment as currently understood holds, and as long as IDs cost the citizen money, significant quantities of time, and endless bureaucratic hurdles, I would say not. And I'd say it for the same reason as with voting: as long as it's a right, you cannot put that kind of impediment to exercising the right. Sure enough, many open-carry places allow that, though it's usually strongly discouraged. Now, if the government provided the IDs to all, I think you could actually claim that carrying the ID is no longer an impediment, and thus start requiring it without a further Constitutional concern.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
The ONLY valid reason for not requiring an ID would be if it costs a person to get it, no matter how nominal the fee. I believe that there is absolutely no issue with a state providing free identification to its citizens.
Unfortunately anytime you bring up making people show an ID for pretty much anything there are those who flip out and scream "Nazis" and try to compare it to the "Your Papers Please" from the Gestapo in the old movies.
Unfortunately anytime you bring up making people show an ID for pretty much anything there are those who flip out and scream "Nazis" and try to compare it to the "Your Papers Please" from the Gestapo in the old movies.
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MAJ (Join to see)
1stSgt Eugene Harless: that's exactly my point. As I wrote a bit earlier in this thread: "You want Voter ID for all? Then make a law that the GOVERNMENT will provide the ID at no cost to the citizen, and that the GOVERNMENT will take the effort to clear away the hurdles. Until then, it's a no-go." I'm fine with VoterID in concept (even if the kind of fraud it would effect is almost nil); but the execution must be done in a way that respects voting as a right, not merely a privilege. And if the government *did* require you to carry ID at *all* times (not just for voting) I would have a problem with it even if they *did* provide it for free.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
MAJ (Join to see) - yes good points, especially the part about only to have ID for a specific event. If you don't want to drive a car, vote, or enter an establishment that requires you to prove your age or who you are, there is no legal requirement to have to walk around with an ID.
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I worked for the Elections Dept in Santa Cruz County California. No, ID was not required to vote. If the person said that they were not sure they were registered, we let them vote and put the ballot in a pink Provisional envelope. This vote was then sent to be verified in the office after the election and a decision was made to count or not count that vote. In our small county, we printed the ballots in 27 different languages.
Yes, it was a major pain but the Peoples Republic of California would never take a chance of insulting someone or hurting their feelings by not allowing them to vote
Yes, it was a major pain but the Peoples Republic of California would never take a chance of insulting someone or hurting their feelings by not allowing them to vote
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PO3 Donald Murphy
The provisional ballot states on it (or does in most states) that you have X number of days to come back to the voting office to verify your residence/eligibility. Failure to do that firstly, gets your ballot nulled. So basically, if you don't come back in three days, you've wasted your time. Second, an un-verified prov ballot is by law, a fraudulent vote. So if your office didn't follow up on arresting folk, null and voiding ballots, then thats the same issue I had here when I worked for the elections board. Our elections supervisor would send over tons of ballots and next election, the same fraudsters would be in line, prov voting again.
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Having worked for the elections board in my state/county, here's how the USA's voting process works in a nutshell...
1. You show up to vote with no I.D.
2. As you have no I.D. you are given a bright orange "provisional ballot."
3. The ballot says that you are voting with no I.D. and that ****BY LAW**** you have three days to come in after the election and bring proof of I.D.
4. Should you fail to show up after three days, your ballot is nulled and void.
BUT WAIT!!
You are now a "fraudulent voter." So as you are a fraudulent voter, I must provide your ballot to the state attorney's office for prosecution ($x fine plus x days in jail). Want a good laugh? Go to your local SA's office **RIGHT NOW** and ask them how many they prosecute. The answer is, they don't. And thats reps as well as dems.
So now you know why so much fradulent voting takes place...
By the way - gorgeous tats
1. You show up to vote with no I.D.
2. As you have no I.D. you are given a bright orange "provisional ballot."
3. The ballot says that you are voting with no I.D. and that ****BY LAW**** you have three days to come in after the election and bring proof of I.D.
4. Should you fail to show up after three days, your ballot is nulled and void.
BUT WAIT!!
You are now a "fraudulent voter." So as you are a fraudulent voter, I must provide your ballot to the state attorney's office for prosecution ($x fine plus x days in jail). Want a good laugh? Go to your local SA's office **RIGHT NOW** and ask them how many they prosecute. The answer is, they don't. And thats reps as well as dems.
So now you know why so much fradulent voting takes place...
By the way - gorgeous tats
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PO3 Donald Murphy
Florida. Provisional ballots (PB) are still provisional ballots. You cannot be turned away for not having ID. Despite the bleating of elected officials and media. If you have not registered you get a PB.
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Sp4 Byron Skinner First off non-citizens can vote in a Federal Election and they don't. California has 57 counties and each one is free pretty much to what when and who can be in a election. If there is no federal or state decisions on a ballot Counties are pretty much free to let illegals vote or not. The local rational where non citizens can vote is that they pay taxes and have a right in public decisions. The elections usually occur in the odd numbered years, Yes in California non citizens can obtain a drivers license. They have to have insurance and pass the same driving test anybody else has to. Their drivers license is marked as non citizen. Identification is required only upon registration In my personal case I vote in the same poll that my family has been voting in since 1922 but I no longer live in that polling district. As long as I don'y attempt to register in a second pooling area its OK. I own property in the district I vote in. Voting is rather simple you give your nam and address the verify it against two forms, you sign one form and the hand you a ballot. At least two of the poll workers have known me since I was a kid and I usually spend more time asking how there no old age children are doing and neighborhood gossip. In short non citizens can get a drivers license, their citizenship status is marked on it and outside of city or county only elections they don't vote. In California we try and make it so people can vote.
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