Posted on Sep 1, 2015
How many believe the answer for reducing gun violence is to restrict gun sales more?
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After watching the media over the last few days since the Deputy was murdered in Cold Blood I have been amazed at how divided the country is over the solution. People on the left want to take guns off the street even in the face of clear evidence that stricter gun laws actually make the streets less safe. ie. Chicago. So I have decided to get the point of view of my fellow veterans since other than cops we are probably more involved with guns than anyone. So speak up. Make sure you put a reason behind your opinion either way.
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First, we don't have "Gun Violence," we just have "Violence." Calling it Gun Violence is a misnomer because we don't apply that caveat to any other type of violence statistic. Second, Violence has been on the decline for the last FEW DECADES. And that is including the removal of restrictions.
So if ALL Violence is generally going down (Including "Gun Violence), even while we are removing restrictions, why is it necessary to increase restrictions?
The issue with Violence, has to be looked at from it's root cause, not as the symptom. Most of these issues can be put into three very distinct categories. Socio-Economic. Mental Health. Terrorism. Let's start with Terrorism, because this is very easy to argue. It's a matter or vigilance. Removing guns, doesn't actually take it away from this group. Next is Mental Health. "You can't account for what a crazy person will do. They're crazy." Finally is Socio-Economic. Put too many people together in a small place, and lower conditions far enough and they just will get violent.
Look at the other "developed" nations like Britain or Australia. They have "Knife Violence" instead of "Gun Violence" and they are now trying to ban knives with points. How far down this rabbit hole are we going to go?
It's not guns that are causing the problem. Guns aren't even a symptom. They're a 4th or 5th order effect coming to light because of other factors.
First, we don't have "Gun Violence," we just have "Violence." Calling it Gun Violence is a misnomer because we don't apply that caveat to any other type of violence statistic. Second, Violence has been on the decline for the last FEW DECADES. And that is including the removal of restrictions.
So if ALL Violence is generally going down (Including "Gun Violence), even while we are removing restrictions, why is it necessary to increase restrictions?
The issue with Violence, has to be looked at from it's root cause, not as the symptom. Most of these issues can be put into three very distinct categories. Socio-Economic. Mental Health. Terrorism. Let's start with Terrorism, because this is very easy to argue. It's a matter or vigilance. Removing guns, doesn't actually take it away from this group. Next is Mental Health. "You can't account for what a crazy person will do. They're crazy." Finally is Socio-Economic. Put too many people together in a small place, and lower conditions far enough and they just will get violent.
Look at the other "developed" nations like Britain or Australia. They have "Knife Violence" instead of "Gun Violence" and they are now trying to ban knives with points. How far down this rabbit hole are we going to go?
It's not guns that are causing the problem. Guns aren't even a symptom. They're a 4th or 5th order effect coming to light because of other factors.
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Restricting gun sales and ownership always results in higher crime rates because while the law-abiding citizens that are not part of the problem obey the laws and are disarmed while the criminal element does not, and has a greater advantage over a disarmed public.
"Every place that has been banned guns has seen murder rates go up. You cannot point to one place where murder rates have fallen, whether it’s Chicago or D.C. or even island nations such as England, Jamaica, or Ireland."
http://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/
"Every place that has been banned guns has seen murder rates go up. You cannot point to one place where murder rates have fallen, whether it’s Chicago or D.C. or even island nations such as England, Jamaica, or Ireland."
http://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/
Murder and homicide rates before and after gun bans - Crime Prevention Research Center
Research, gun bans, homicide, police, murder
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