Posted on Feb 9, 2015
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Social media brings people together or it can tear larger holes in the veterans' communities.
Despite having served your country honestly and honorably, people can be assholes when they jump to conclusions and don't believe you. Have you ever had this happen to you?
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SP5 Michael Rathbun
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Only on RP, actually. That was rather fun.
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CSM Brigade Operations (S3) Sergeant Major
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So you're saying that I shouldn't have gotten all my ribbons and shiny little badges tattooed on my chest?
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SFC Health I.T. (Hit) Systems Security Engineer
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Huh? No...I'm not saying that at all. I don't get your response CSM Mike Oldsen. Are you just being humorously sarcastic or what? Sorry. I am not trying to piss you or anyone off.
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CSM Brigade Operations (S3) Sergeant Major
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Yes I am being sarcastic lol. It's all good brother!
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SPC David S.
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While I've never been called a poser I have had a coin dropped on me in my own house from a Ranger friend. Drinks where on me already so it was more esprit de corps than anything. I think with me you can see it as I was raised a military brat. That experience alone ingrained more military in me than my own service. My mother was also raised a brat and then married my father so its hard not to look or act military for me. From my yard alone you would think I was a Marine. Squared off bushes and manicured curbs.... "Get off my grass"
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SPC David S.
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Excellent sir, It was rather funny when he slammed the coin down on the table. The ladies where clueless, I was in a panic, and he was just smiling at me with that 1000 yard stare in his eyes. You have no idea had glad I was when he started laughing.
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SP5 Michael Rathbun
SP5 Michael Rathbun
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Careful about those bushes &c. Many years ago I drove by the USMC Reserve facility in Kansas City and saw that someone had rearranged the painted rocks out front to read

US MARINE CORPS REVERSE

Clearly they needed better peripheral surveillance.
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SP5 Michael Rathbun
SP5 Michael Rathbun
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...and, BTW, I had no idea what a "Challenge Coin" was until a few years back. I keep one in my pocket for the odd opportunity, but it is pretty generic.
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SPC Robin Price-Dirks
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They didn't have coins when I was in......
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MSgt Michael Durkee
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I've never been suspected as being a poser, now being butt of a military joke or two based on being an Air Force retiree...plenty :)
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Make sure to tell them about our "car service for life" Retiree benefit... Lol
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SPC James Mcneil
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I have been a couple of times. One person thought that my "Iraqi Freedom Vet" hat was evidence that I was faking it. I laughed and showed him my V.A. ID card.
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SPC James Mcneil
SPC James Mcneil
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I had clicked the survey, but for some reason it didn't go through. So I went back to vote. Sorry about that.
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SSG Ronald Rollins
SSG Ronald Rollins
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I was in during desert shield/storm iin the USMC and joind the army 1n 99 and in for Iraq. I was talking with another vet about it and had someone tell me I could not have been in for both. He wanted proof. I did not bother showing anything even tho I have my retired ID and VA card. It just was not worth it.
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SPC James Mcneil
SPC James Mcneil
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They were less than 15 years apart! How could you not be in for both?
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SPC Robin Price-Dirks
SPC Robin Price-Dirks
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I was never at war unless you count the Cold war. I was in until the year before the wall fell. I know that doesn't count but, why would a civilian say "You weren't in a war time situation so it doesn't count!". Are not, are not.......Does too, does too!! BTW and I served there (FRG) when terrorists tried to blow up Gen. Haig
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SGT Combat Engineer
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I've never worn my uniform since taking it off when I completed my last drill with the FLARNG. When I was active duty in the regular Army, I never wore my uniform off-duty. Never. Had a distinctive haircut though - a very severe, short even on top, proper high-and-tight. Never had any problems

DISCLAIMER Below this line, I take off the politeness filter and I turn up the candor dial. I have a bit of reputation here for snapping at snide comments. If you want to know what's on my nerves, read on, but I'm not being real friendly in the rest of this comment. Also, if you're not part of the problem don't read yourself into the target of my criticism. I'm annoyed with a very specific category of duds. I'm very proud of our entire military. Best people I ever worked with. END DISCLAIMER

However, when I worked at a defense industry firm, I worked mostly with Navy and a few Air Force veterans. We only had 3 other Army vets, that I knew of, from non-aviation MOSes in the entire business. Two were retired MI officers, one of whom was prior-service enlisted as an 11-series (Infantry), one retired Field Artillery officer. My resume covered 3 MOSes I held at different times, Medic (then 91B, redesignated 68W or something later, but still medic), MP (95B, earned through MOS Q in the TXARNG during a break-in-service), and Combat Engineer (12B, earned through MOS reclassification at Fort Leonard Wood when I went back to the regular Army after my break-in-service). Combat Engineer, especially, includes things that on paper the average veteran of clerical or technical background and experience seems to associate with things more action-movie than a actual Combat Engineer veteran would. The effect is double with people who never served at all. So, it has been my personal, direct experience that many (not all, just many) veterans of services and MOSes/rates that differ greatly from those that serve as attachments to Infantry rifle companies seem to think that everything that is not done by a clerk or a technician is done by...wait for it...the SEALs! Of course, why not. That's what they saw in their last action movie, that's what they read in their last Tom Clancy novel, that's what they played in their last video game. So, they think _everything_ outside of their world of experience is some sort of exotic endeavor performed only by the heroes of their favorite strain of American mythology. As a result, there was a certain amount of friction caused by the facts on my resume with some of the people I worked with at that business. I don't look anything like a character in an action movie. (I'm mean, I'm not a waddling, triple-chinned, fat-body or pencil-necked anorexic like some of the false-accusers I'm referring to, but I'm unlikely to get invited to a casting call for an action movie - that's for certain.)

More recently, I got asked in a job interview if I had deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan. I replied that I had never been to Iraq or Afghanistan, to which the interviewer (who had never been to so much as the MEPS station or a recruiting office) replied, "Is that supposed to be like, 'It's classified or something?'" in a very, very snarky manner.

Following that, I encountered a waddling nitwit that looked up my Linkedin or other profile and saw that I had been assigned to HHT 1/3 ACR SAS, where SAS refers to squadron aid station. So this bumbling half-wit proceeds to declare that I have professed affiliation with the British Special Air Service, also abbreviated SAS, and that I'm not even British. Later the same moron declares that I've claimed to an "operator" because he has read in the same profile that at 2 duty stations I was responsible for operator-level maintenance, which any genuine Army veteran will recognize as having nothing whatsoever to do with Special-anything. Operator-level maintenance is what the Soldier operating the equipment (vehicle, weapon, sensor, whatever) does to maintain it in accordance with the instructions in the accompanying TM. But anyway....you wouldn't know these things if you have no experience in soldiering in a maneuver unit or its attachments (or if you never served anywhere in any capacity).

Then there was the wannabe that didn't like it that I had former colleagues from my military service in my Linkedin profile, as well as folks I had met in the defense industry. So, if I had a contact who had been SF, then of course, to the wannabe that had a problem with my Linkedin profile, then I must have included my colleagues in my profile to suggest that I was SF. Of course, because...everything in the mind of the wannabe who never served, in the mind of pogue veteran that elected to serve in a technical or administrative MOS or rating, everything else in the military must have been done by....the SEALs. Because, that's the current mythology among everyone from bronies to the brawndo crowd. You know, I started out in the Army as a Medic, and many Medics go to hospitals and TMCs. I went out of my way to ask the replacement detachment (oh, yeah reminds me, another wannabes and pogues don't understand - the meaning of the term "detachment" but more on that in a moment), anyhow, as I was saying, to ask the replacement detachment for orders to a maneuver unit. I ended up in a Combat Engineer battalion, but at that time as a Medic since that was my MOS. My very last unit ever was a clinical unit at Camp Blanding Florida in the FLARNG. So, I've been a pogue. When I was a Combat Engineer, (By which I mean a 12B, an MOS-qualified 12B, Combat Engineer), I was a grunt. I've been both. Since I've left the Army, and since the Army has been involved in various armed conflicts since I left, I try really hard to be absolutely fair and uncritical of any MOS or rate or service. But for this rant, I'm gonna lay on some candor. I never liked pogue units. Too much soap opera. Too much immaturity. It was like adult daycare. I liked Combat Engineers. I don't have anything against pogues, but if a pogue is going to insult my service record, then let me share with you that I think you're a fairy.

Back to the word "detachment." Same twits that didn't know what HHT 1/3 ACR SAS meant, same twits that didn't know what operator-level maintenance was, same twits that didn't like it that some of my Linkedin network is made up of folks who weren't PAC clerks, are the same twits that don't what a "detachment" is. They know they've read in their favorite Tom Clancy novel or saw on the their favorite History Channel (poorly made) documentary that Army SF uses detachments as an element of organization on their MTO&E, but they don't know what a detachment as a term, means. It means something detached from its parent unit. There are all kinds of detachments. But if you're a Naval Reserve version of an Army PAC Clerk, or if you're a Air Force technician of some sort that maintains aircraft or some subsystem thereof, then perhaps you have not encountered this information. If you are some triple-chinned, bubble-butt, waddling half-wit who never served, then of course you haven't encountered this information. But Florida Medical Detachment, for example, does not imply Special Forces. It implies a medical unit (in this case a very clinical one), detached from some larger unit.

On this whole SF thing: I was never SF, I've never claimed to be. I didn't have the eyesight. I had a picket-fence PULHES, but that's a complicated story and my eyesight was not suitable for service in SF. Otherwise, I would have considered going to selection, for that or something similar. However, I knew people in the Army that later did go SF. I also met people after the Army, in the defense industry, who had been previously been one of various forms of special operations forces. I'm not going to exclude them from my network because some waddling incompetent or some flat-top wearing, never-served loudmouth has some sort of issue with it. Stuff it.

This is why I have extreme wariness and skepticism toward the whole Stolen Valor vigilante thing. I've been falsely accused and slandered by the type person I think should be on the receiving end of such attention rather than its issuer.

I see posts on blogs about phonies, and here on RallyPoint, that show both complete lunatics in ludicrously fake and improperly-assembled attempts at uniforms (those people are genuinely crazy - I mean legit nuts), and people who seem to be doing something a bit more serious aimed at gaining material advantage (ie fraud). I say go after the latter for fraud and be kind to the former as they are just insane.

I am proud of my service. I am proud of the American military. I am fortunate to have been healthy enough to serve and I have the greatest respect for those I got to work with during my service. I retain an interest in military history and American defense policy even now that my service has ended. I am not interested in attention-seeking, but I'm not going to hide my service from my resume for fear of offending someone who doesn't like it because...screw them. To the false-accuser, whether a fellow veteran or a civilian coward who never had the personal responsibility or initiative to serve, I say, "May you suffer an eternal hell of Keith Olbermann reruns and Morris Albert music in Satan's very own Chuck E. Cheese franchise forever and ever and ever."
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SGM Bill Johnson
SGM Bill Johnson
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I feel your pain. I too had three MOSs; MP, Infantry, and CI. The Army, in its infinite wisdom, seldom assigned me to units that had anything to do with my MOSs. In one Infantry assignment, the Joint Security Area in Korea, we were required by the Armistice to wear MP Brassards, so I was told I was lying when I said I was an Infantryman in Korea. In another overseas assignment I was in an SF slot so that is reflected on my enlisted record brief and I was questioned why I was hiding my SF background. I was an MI Sergeant Major assigned to the G3/5/7 at the Pentagon and since I wasn't in the G-2 I had to be lying about that too.
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SGT Combat Engineer
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SGM Bill Johnson - Also, because of my 2 periods of active duty service, I have 2 different DD214s. At one employer, where it mattered quite a bit, the Human Resources lady only copied one of them. So, half my training and MOS experience was missing and that came up. Aside from the military stuff and the "stolen valor" vigilantes, I was born on an AFB overseas and I lost my social security card and had to go get a replacement at the SSA office in my city. Wow. I hand my certificate of citizenship to the lady on the other side of the glass and she tells me that I don't look like my photo from 1972. I was born in 1971.
But the stuff I'm complaining about in my original response is more about behavior by persons with personal failings and delusions of grandeur rather than the bureaucratic insanity. It has been my distinct experience, especially lately, that most of the "stolen valor" and "poseur" accusers are duds now and were duds when they served (if they served). I cannot think of a single such false-accuser that would have lasted beyond a couple of weeks in the regular Army, active units I was in. Each specific person I think of would likely have been shelved in HHC or HHT to await being chaptered out.
But in any case, all I did was train. Not sure what to think of that - good or bad. (To anyone who reads this and does not know - you can't generally "deploy yourself" - you go when and where they Army tells you to.) My brother deployed, I did not. I just don't like being falsely accused of something. It's a violation of the Big 10 in Judeo-Christian tradition and it's dishonorable. I cannot respect a false-accuser.
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SGT Dave Tracy
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Kind of an older post, but I'll jump.

Never have myself, but there was one time I was walking back to my truck and saw this guy, slightly stooped over at the waist, intently studying my "GWOT" plates like the damn thing was the Rosetta Stone. He didn't even look at me when I walked by him at first.

"So what ah," he skeptically asked, "is Gwot?" Pronouncing it was though it were a word and not an acronym. I got the feeling the guy was spooling up to say more. As though he felt something must have been wrong with my plates because he didn't recognize what GWOT meant.

"Global War On Terrorism," was my only reply. I could tell the lightbulb went off as soon as I said it.
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SPC Travis Grizzard
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Twice. One time, I was wearing my AH 1S Cobra hat, and two young Marines came up and said, "Semper Fi". When I told them I had been a Cobra Crew Chief in the Army, they accused me of stolen valor, because the Marines fly Cobras, NOT the Army. An older Marine, nls, came up and said I was telling the truth, because if the Army hadn't used Cobras there would have been none to hand down to the Marines.

The other time, they started asking about deployments and duty stations, and when I told them my whole 12 years were CONUS, one of them said, "He must ne legit, nobody is going to make up a story about being stateside for his whole enlistment."
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SGT Combat Engineer
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25th ID still had Cobras in 1997. I remember being directly underneath one in Makua Valley during a live-fire as it was firing it's .50 cal. It would have been a PERFECT photo if I had had a camera. Shortly after that we stopped seeing them around - seems like they were replaced with Kiowas.
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SPC Travis Grizzard
SPC Travis Grizzard
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The last Cobras left the Army in 1999.
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SCPO William Akin
SCPO William Akin
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Any relation to Lewis??
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SPC Travis Grizzard
SPC Travis Grizzard
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SCPO William Akin 4th or 5th cousin.
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SPC Chelsea Fernandez
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People don't believe me when I tell them that I have served. I have to keep my military ID available at all times on hand or a copy of my DD 214
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Same thing here.
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SPC Robin Price-Dirks
SPC Robin Price-Dirks
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Very few people believe me. I am short (5' 1 3/4") and as I have gotten older and military injuries have slowed me down I have gotten very chubby. I usually wear a hat or a t-shirt having to do with military and have DV plates on my car. I am almost at the point where I don't feel like I deserve any recognition having been belittled about my service by almost everyone.
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SGT Tyler G.
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No, but I also don't advertise myself as a soldier. I don't mention it unless they ask. And they're usually surprised.
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