Posted on Jan 15, 2017
How much service time qualifies you as a Veteran?
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Outside of those who get injured and medically separated, is there a minimum timeframe service members should service to be considered a Veteran? Completion of bootcamp? Completion of first tour? First enlistment? 180 days?
Are there situations that should disqualify someone as a Veteran? Dishonorable Discharge? Requesting to separate prior to the end of first enlistment or before earning an MOS or Rating?
Are there situations that should disqualify someone as a Veteran? Dishonorable Discharge? Requesting to separate prior to the end of first enlistment or before earning an MOS or Rating?
Edited 9 y ago
Posted 9 y ago
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I think this is probably the dumbest question out there that keeps resurfacing in our community. If you signed up completed training in any branch whether it be reserve/guard or active we are all on the same freaking team and all should be a damn veteran. Now that being said claim what you have earned dont be pulling some bull shit stolen valor and claiming your a purple heart recepient if your not. If your a cook in the naval reserve unit then dont be telling people your a SEAL. Simple you joined the military regardless of branch and made that commitment your a damn veteran when your discharged correctly. Simple as that. If we keep doing this shit in our communities than all we are doing is discouraging people from seeking the guard or reserve. OR worse beating down on someone who got back to their unit after training and came down with cancer and got booted on a medical. They still signed up and made rank they still deserve the respect. One team One fight. Rant over
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PFC Jeramy Dobkins
Well clearly you are an idiot by your post I cannot tell if you’re just unable to type or simply miss informed. It’s possible you may have a thyroid issue then I must consider you smart outside of those “legitimate” medical issues you must be illiterate correct? Choice words or not speak to my battle who died from cancer and had completed AIT by two months before finding out and being medically discharged. He will always be a veteran and no amount of ignorance will take that away!!SGT (Join to see)
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C B
Here's why it's not a dumb question. Im here to get help for my mother who to my knowledge only did basic training. Now she's a dementia patient and in looking for assistance they ask this exact question. It's dumb to assume you know the intentions of the people who have legitimate questions. Very condescending, get over yourself. If it's really one team then help your teammates.
Rant over
Rant over
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SPC Todd Curran
LTC Jr Hutto - that would be 180 days out side of training sir which would be ait as well
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SPC Marce Murino
PO2 Michael Souders the person you're replying to never said they were a Master Sargent. They were responding to MSgt Jimmie Brown. You might want to look at that again.
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We can argue about this all day long, but there is a legal definition:
"Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.”
http://va.org/what-is-a-veteran-the-legal-definition/
"Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.”
http://va.org/what-is-a-veteran-the-legal-definition/
What is a Veteran? The Legal Definition - VA.ORG
What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as
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Sgt Gary Antilla
Cpl Christopher Bishop if you didn't finish basic training for any reason your sent home packing. You do not reserve the right to call yourself anything. Best to let it behind you and never mention it.
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SFC (Join to see)
LTC, please provide a source for the 180 days to qualify for VA benefits. Compensation requires someone to be hurt on active duty status, no day requirement needed. Post 9-11 requires 90 days of active duty to qualify. Pension requires 2 years of full time service after 1980 or if prior to 1980, 90 days of active duty service with 1 day in a wartime period. Each VA Benefit has it's own eligibility requirements. Please provide a source for this 180 days that you claim is required.
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SPC Donald Donovan
I served with a guy who served for six years. (1978 - 1984). Served CONAS & GERMANY. Never saw combat but trained to defend in the Fulda Gap and was ready to deploy but never sent. Honorable Discharge. He is as much a Vet as the 20+ year lifer or grizzled combat vet. He never saw combat but was ready to go at any time
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SMSgt William Lefebvre Sr.
Sgt Gary Antilla - Bullshit. My son arrived on Paris Island at 18 years of age ready to serve our country, in 2002. He has cut marks on his wrists as he had a troubled childhood and was a cutter. Before he could finish the Marine s basic training a doctor there discharged him for "former" psychiatric concerns. He died on November 8th from a blood clot and I made sure he had a flag and a Marine plaque at his wake before his cremation the next day. He will be buried next to his mom, a 28 year veteran in the Air Force and next to me also when I die and 32 year Air Force Veteran. I will personally see to it that he will have a full military burial and will be buried in the Fairfax Plains Cemetery in Fairfax, Vermont, sometime in May of 2010. If anyone disagrees with that then please show up an hour before that time and I will convince you otherwise. Trust me.
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I really hate this question. I have a friend of mine who honorably served in the army reserves for six years; be never deployed, didn't earn a bunch of medals, but he did his job and got out. In comparison, I served on active duty for about seven years, deployed twice, earned myself a few shiney things, and was forced to retire. Not to mention I was combat arms and he was a pog, but that is another story. What I'm trying to get at is that he is always saying that he doesn't feel like he deserves the title of veteran and I have to repeatedly tell him to fuck off and get over the stupid shit. He served and did so honorably. As far as I am concerned that is the requirement. Out on a uniform and serve honorably. That's it. Or else you begin to split hairs. Who deserves to be a veteran? The PFC that deploys directly out of basic and is killed in combat a month later, his TIS is like 5 months. Or that E9 that did 25 years but never left CONUS, the TRADOC ninja or what have you. I don't like splitting us up any further than the military already does. If you put on a uniform and served honorably, whether you finished your contract, retired 20 plus, or were let go for medical reasons, you are a veteran.
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SPC (Join to see)
Hey when dumb ass snowflakes like u keep wanting to mouth off u need to be put in ur fucking place. Now KID and I DO MEAN KID u fucking bastard two year old. Go back to the basthroom in ur mommies basement and flush ur turd as sell down the drain where the most stupid assholes like u belong. Oh and ur below Dr. Seuss Books level reading is nothing to be proud about low life.
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SPC (Join to see)
SGT Joseph Gunderson - What that ur a NO BRAINED DEMONCRAT ASSHOLE. Go take a and Vlad yourself.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SPC (Join to see) bud, you quite literally are making no sense. I suspect the issue is a combination of drugs you should be on and drugs you shouldn't be on. You ought to go speak to a therapist or at least lay off the meth.
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I have served 26 years and still serving, Mobilized 6 times and am on a current mobilization. All Guard. I served 6 years as a R&R NCO AGR. Am I veteran? The last I checked to me A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to The United States of America, for an amount of up to and including their life.
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SGM(P) (Join to see)
I can assure you the 10 Years I am referring to is not ADT / IDT nor are the deployments. What a lot of people seem to forget is that a lot of the Army National Guard and Army Reserve are former Active Duty / Prior service members. Service Members who have left active duty for a period of time and decided they missed the comradery and joined the Army National Guard or Army Reserve. So by your definition, since these individuals are still serving they are not considered veterans?
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LTC Jr Hutto
SGM(P) (Join to see) - No, you earned your "veteran" status while on active duty. Why is everyone so wrapped around the axle about wanting to be called a "veteran". If it's because many reserve / guardsmen don't qualify for VA benefits, then tough, do the time and earn them the way everyone has. But if you're a reserve / guardsman and want special recognition for being a weekend warrior fine, you signed up whether you got called or not. That's worth respect but not VA benefits until you spend the time to earn them according to law with 180+ days active duty service.
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COL John Power
I agree with your definition, 1SG(P). I used that line in a Memorial Day speech in my town, emphasizing the day was to honor those whose check was cashed. Someone who signs up and serves can't control the conditions. The VA has to have rules to be sure, but the term veteran means, to me, what you described.
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This is going to be based on whether you are Active Duty or Reserves/Guard. If you are Active Duty, then you are considered a Veteran the minute your 3 or 4 yr contract is done and you ETS. If you are Reserve/Guard....it's a little different now. Initially, for Guard/Reserves, you had to deploy and/or be on orders for more than 180 days (and not for training). Now, there is a new addition. If the Reservist or Guard member never deploys ends up serving for 20 good years (which is a whole different conversation) and retiring, then they are legally entitled to the Veteran Status.
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SSG Steven Mangus
FEDERAL DEFINITION: under Federal Law a VETERAN is any person, who served honorably on active duty in the armed forces of the United States. (Discharges marked GENERAL AND UNDER HONORABLE CONDITIONS also qualify. Personally, anyone who can produce a DD-214 with honorable or general under honorable conditions is ok in my book. For our National Guard and Reserve extended family, the same applies in my eyes.
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1LT (Join to see)
As far as the reserve component goes to qualify for a VA Home Loan. You have to serve six years, or you must be activated and be on title ten orders for 180 days or more.
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David Nipper
sir what about a discharge dd214 that says under other than honorable conditions? it does not have the word GENERAL before it? my total service for pay was i year, 3 months. stupidly i went awol, in 1978, was caught then mustered out. i still regret it but it happened.
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Doesn't everyone's DD 214 state the character of service? Anything honorable, medical, or retired should rate veteran status. All others do not. Am I missing something?
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PV2 Justin Bunda
SGT Joseph Miller - Around 2 Years, like I said; Im not trying to claim any benefits but I just want people to understand that I am a Veteran. (Active Duty, Honorable Discharge)
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TSgt Dottie Schultz
I served 20 years active duty USAF 1967 -1987. Never served in a combat zone and I AM a veteran!
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MSG James Bates
What if a person engineered their own exit? I know a Navy Corpsman who purposely took meds, and then reported his self to the NCO in charge. He was mustered out with a General Discharge, 9 years later it was upgraded to an Honorable. He actually served 16 months. He now tells everyone he served 2 years. What I would like to know is there a Military Regulation that covers this action?
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Actually I am going to blow you all out of the water with a Salvo of 16" shells from the Veterans Administration VSO book that says if you have served one day Honorably and were discharged with anything other than a dishonorable discharge, you are considered a Veteran in the eyes of the Veterans Administration and may be eligible for benefits. Now Service Organizations like the Legion VFW, AMVETS, and the such all have different qualifying definitions but the VA has been that way for Decades. The Federal Government changes their definition as much as some people change their skivvies.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
That's good Because the DOD does not say who is a veteran and who is not. Just who is Active and who is Not. Plus if the DOD says you are a good boy and can be identified as a Veteran, if you screw the pooch as a Vet you can loose all your benefits. But since the VETERANSW ADMINISTRATION is the one who covers the Vets. Their rules are the ones who make those decisions. Who gives a tinkers damn what the Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard or Marines say you are Discharged. :-)
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
The only thing that has changed, is since 9-11 is who is eligible for Benefits from the Veterans Administration. To be eligible a Vet must have served on ACTIVE DUTY (after completing basic training) for Six Months. That is where the Six Month number comes from because a lot of people were going into boot and then washing out for Post nasal drip or crabs or something stupid Unable to adapt or convenience of the Government. The EXCEPTION is if you are injured during Basic Training, you break your back, your leg is torn off, on the obstacle Course (don't laugh it almost happened to me, I graduated as Company Honorman with a Brace on my leg) or a Debilitating injury where you cannot serve, You are eligible for veterans Assistance for Life no matter when it happened. There is no Time Requirement. But a Vet is anyone who raised their hands and said the oath and served honorably... ho matter how long.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
LTC Jr Hutto - No one said anything about not having a DD-214. If you are severly injured in basic you get a DD-214.
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Hell, some wouldn't consider me a veteran. I served 3 years of my 6 year enlistment, but I fell off a helicopter during field training and was severely injured and then medically retired. I didn't get to deploy with my husband and my unit. I worked my butt off, I was the Distinguished Honor Grad and the only woman in my AIT class, then the only woman Crew Chief in a line company in my battalion. Sometimes shit happens and all you can do is roll with it. Even though, I wasn't able to complete my Pilot packet to become a helicopter pilot, I'm still proud of my service when I had men in my face telling me I wasn't wanted there or harassed.
Anyone willing to sign up and take those risks are good in my book. It's more than most are willing to do.
Anyone willing to sign up and take those risks are good in my book. It's more than most are willing to do.
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SFC (Join to see)
Sorry to hear about your injury and accident. But YOU did serve. We are discussing the pussified whims that drop out of BCT and or AIT - BEFORE - completion of 1 or more years of service! These "folks" are not in any way ckassdified as a "veteran" by law or in most real veterans books, including mine! Thank you for your service.
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LTC Stephen Conway
Sorry Deanna about your accident that made you medically discharged. I recall 20 years ago seeing an episode on the old 20/20 ABC show of a national guardsman who was jumping out of a helicopter I think it was a uh-1 that was going too fast and too high and these men were all jumping into the water the first couple were able to land in the water without being seriously hurt but this man landed into the water too fast and broke his neck. He was now 100% disabled from the neck down. He was receiving the full of VA benefits. I don't know if this National Guardsmen served title 32 or title 10 to be considered a veteran before this. It's good to have this discussion some people who want to stay in do get medically kicked out of basic training. I just don't know if this debate is productive.
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If you never made it through initial training, get an entry level separation, and/or separation for failure to adapt them you are NOT a Veteran.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
Cpl (Join to see) - Cpl, Do you realize how asinine your statement is? Traci raised her hand and took the oath just as you did, went to basic just as you did and finished basic training just as you did. She failed to finish AIT though. She is just as much as a VET as you are she just does not have the service longevity as you have.
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SPC (Join to see)
Should just leave the determination of if someone is a veteran to the laws and regulations. When you start telling people they shouldn't consider themselves veterans for being honorably discharged you are not only dishonoring them but also yourself and the branch you served.
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I served national guard had dreamed of military and prepared myself my whole high school for it signed up and with that comes weekend drill before shipping date arrived I had a severe pain while doing pt at drill while running my whole leg give out and I came crashing down my knee had given out on me and was forced to follow up with me is and multiple test came to find myself unable to continue and beat myself up over it for years after I started a job who found record of service and considered me a vet even though I do not consider myself one. I contacted some old friends to see what I could do. This is what a seargent who I have known for years told me. You tried to serve your country and took the oath same as any other person your heart was in it but your body failed you nothing you can do about that and nothing can change that with saying that. This is how I explain what time I was in I am separated from the military made many friends what time I had some I consider family those who toured or seen combat I have more respect for them then anything and would have given anything to be right there with them defending my country.
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SFC Jim Ruether
PVT (Join to see) - You suffered a medical separation from the military. You are a veteran.
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6 months/180 days is the lowest threshold for "Veteran" status. There is no other requirement. No secret code word or secret handshake, etc. 180 days.
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SGT Kaye Fiorello
PO1 Pete Sikes - incorrect. simply graduating basic is not a qualifier. In fact, although it counts toward the 180 day mark for active, it does NOT count for reserve or guard - in fact no time just in training counts....therefore if your mos school is 365 days, that whole year would not count. (except for retirement points - unless you stay guard or reserve for 20 plus years)
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SSgt Rodger Castle Sr.
Do you have to graduate basic to be a veteran? What if you had a medical issue and could not continue? I think these men and women are still veterans.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
Hey Sarge, where did you get your Data from?? What Magic book were you able to draw this astounding bit of information from? because nit is wrong.
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2LT Ronald Reimer
“Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.”
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