Posted on Jan 22, 2014
SFC Ricardo Ruiz
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A soldier form my company is being AWOL three times he leaves for 28 days 20 days 27 days and he still in the ARMY. JAG come back to me and said ART 15 start the chapter but 4 months now and nothing???

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1SG Visual Information Operations Chief
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SSG,

Don't keep giving ART 15s for every offense because it will stall the chapter process. 
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SFC James Baber
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Ricardo,


This goes back to what I have stated in previous posts about the politics of today's environment, they have taken the power from the NCOs and given it to the PVTs.


Prior to the Clinton administration, an NCOs word and 1 or 2 counseling was all a CDR needed to chapter a Soldier or put them in jail for going AWOL, especially if it was repetitive, but during the mid-90s all that changed. PC came into the picture and protected to guilty instead of the military as a whole, this is all about lawyers and protecting the guilty and not the innocent as it was supposed to be.


Back in 1984 when I was in Fort Sill, we had a Soldier who went AWOL, the federal warrant was issued, the US Marshalls tracked the guy down after about 19 days, arrested him and brought him back to the unit and turned him over to the MPs, we turned him over to his command, they gave him UCMJ actions and started the chapter process, he was gone in 10 days with a dishonorable discharge, that was how things worked and had worked for decades prior with the exception that some Soldiers spent some time in jail before being chaptered so the military got their time back equal to the AWOL time. But all that changed from 50, 60, 70 years etc. of it working the way it did to the PC and worse that you are now experiencing, if you don't have a multi-volume record of counseling's, psychological evaluations and profiles, medical evaluations, and so on, you can't even get an article 15 participation anymore let alone a chapter. Blame Congress, weak leadership and lawyers for all that has come our way over the last 15+ years for what you are currently experiencing.


I wish you luck with this Soldier and the issues, it will only continue, and will most likely result in a few things happening, the Soldier will be moved to another unit, you will PCS before anything is done, or nothing will ever come from it other than you getting frustrated in the end.

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MSG Floyd Williams
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I seen soldiers go to the Stockade after the second time.
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SFC Mark Merino
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What a headache! It's been a year, do you have an update for the community?
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SFC Ricardo Ruiz
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Thanks all  for the responses. I as I continue to monitor this soldier the best I can do is to continue to record everything. Sometimes I think the CMD group is limited by Jag but I am just one NCO VS the world. Thanks again. 
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SGM Bill Frazer
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3 times, should rate a field grade 15, and a chapter. See what the CSM says
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PO1 Cassiopeia Goldenstein
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If he has had three of them, he can get a bad-conduct discharge, or if you just want to get rid of him without too much fuss, an admin discharge.
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SFC Jim Ruether
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Put him in Leavenworth its a sure way to stop his ability to take breaks from his military obligation and visit with his commander, platoon sergeant, squad leader and punish them too for letting this happen over and over again
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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We had a troop like that, he did it twice, last time he did it before we were going to the field, we left late he showed up we grabbed him and took him with us. Before that he had a tendency to avoid the field, his peers had a discussion with him in the field and when we got back he went awol again and he never returned and was dropped from the rolls.
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What does being dropped from the rolls mean?
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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PV2 (Join to see) - What it means now I don't know, what I meant back then was he was taken off our UMR and we could get a replacement SOLDIER. That POS could show back up and shit out of luck because he wasn't ours. Also known as a deserter, some troops never really think out the long term consequences of their actions. I am sure his job options on the outside were very restricted, who would hire someone like him?
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