How will the Army transition with transgender in open showers?

I would assume that all branches would have a seperate shower or certain times that transgender Soldiers would utilize the showers. I mean who knows. Its tough

I don't know, but the very first month I took company command a soldier in my unit came into my office and said, hello, I'm pre transition..............

The very next month we had a field exercise and the Battalion CO (the property book owner of the showers) was going to park herself in front of the showers to prevent everyone and anyone from going in there while the transgender soldier was in the shower. I'm sure COL's and GEN's would heed the LTC's career advice and just let the situation happen and move forward with the exercise. I agree, this is not a long term answer. This was the tip of the spear dealing with this new atmosphere.

DEERs is the final authority as far as I'm aware, and the soldier was originally female transitioning into male.

In this situation showers times would have been blocked off to get around the regs and a LTC was going to be the gate keeper to enforce actions that ensured a drama free career moving forward.

Realistically speaking the USAR officers (to include myself as the soldier in question company commander) attached to the potential CNN/MSNBC/FOX headline were just trying to get through the end of the day.

End result was Trump became president the solder hit ETS, and didn't reenlist, and was out before the field exercise. So everyone dodged a potential bullet.

The soldier, originally being female, and already having trouble passing the APFT as female with hormonal assistance wasn't looking to be in a good position when DEER's changed the gender to male when it came to the ACFT.

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Finally, we all know how long it takes ETS orders to be cut when USAR soldiers want out at the end of their contracts.

Welp.................. On a Monday, I submitted three ETS packets from my company command, and to include the transgender soldier in question. Orders were published and in my mil mail account the following Tuesday for the separation for all three of those packets.

The transgender soldier was in no way treated differently than any other soldier. However, all ETS packets were signed, approved and published lickity split that specific day.

The USAR is a very low bar performance wise, and we did lose a soldier that kept green across the board, showed up at the right time in the right uniform, and was always dependable to execute tasks that needed to be executed. They had numerous vehicles on their military driver's license so unit readiness and capability technically went down when they decided not to re-enlist.

Unless things have changed field showers were frigging cold and no one stood around looking at anyone. You were lucky to have 3 minutes to shower. It boiled down to this: Get in there. Get wet. Then get out of my shower.

Does military discipline means anything to you?

"Transgender" as a word should never have been adopted by the federal government. Its use isn't even legal under any state or federal law if they weren't being ignored by "LGBTQ+" activist, religious conservatives and the courts! By law every hospital is supposed to be using the ICD. No where in the IVD, DSM or any legitimate research has it ever stated everyone diagnosed "transsexual, GID, GD or Gender incongruent all self identify as "Transgender" or as LGBTQ+".
As a Veteran that legally changed their sex not "gender" never was it legal to call me "Transgender" or to "include" me into the "LGBTQ+". Its a fight I've had with the VA since before the use of the word Transgender was officially adopted across the VA. States control the issuance of birth certificates in all cases accept when someone is born overseas. That means they fall under the full faith and credit clause. All other states and the federal government must recognize the court orders and documents issued by other states. Also the "LGBTQ+" and religious conservatism a like act to violate the Constitution. Under the first Amendment we have rights to freledom of association. Someone can't just "include" you in a group without your consent! No where in any state law has it ever stated based on a sex a person no longer legally is you can call them a word based on the sex they no longer legally are "Transgender" and then further deny their individual rights under the law and Constitution and "include" them into the "LGBTQ+". How goes someone become "LGBTQ+" without employing a severe amount of mental gymnastics and employing an illegal and UnConstitutional test to determine who is male, female, heterosexual enough and not to icky a sexual sinner? That also violates the first amendment right to freedom of religious belief. I don't have to live by a generic religious conservative one size fits all religion!
The media has consistently and persistently blatantly lied to create and maintain a divisional culture war that facts do not support. Not every American buys into the idea we must all be liberals and conservatives and constantly at war with each other! None of this ever should have been allowed into the VA or DOD. Its all toxic politics that destroys individual rights and subverts the U.S Constitution and existing laws. I didn't go through what I did to be trans or "LGBTQ+" anything or a to be a boogeyman for the religious right. I did it to be myself and to be comfortable in my own skin.

Either they shower first or last when straight gender has finished.

They shouldn’t be in the military to begin with males females no damn transgender.

In Nam the guys gave "Blanket Parties" after taps to "fubars".

What ever you have between your legs is what you shower as.

Transgender Soldiers won’t be a problem. There won’t be any.

Easy answer if the person in question has an Appendage then the shower with the men. Doing otherwise would disrupt the born female Armed services member. Or they just have open showers and Everyone showers together.

Honestly, I don't think anyone having a pre-existing mental health condition should be allowed to serve in any capacity in any of our armed forces. Furthermore, I believe it's inherently wrong to allow these type of people in and burden the American people with paying for their transition. I know that when the rubber meets the road, I don't want anyone behind me full of meds and confused with a full magazine with a weapon capable of full auto. I need someone who can always have their head in the game at all times. And I don't care how advanced we think we've become, mixed showers, (male/female), is inherently a dangerous idea and just begs for trouble. Sexual crimes against both heterosexual, homosexual, and trans individuals will rise exponentially.

Just know, I'm retired so what I say is just an opinion.

I feel if you have male sexual organs, you will shower and be housed with the males.
That would be the easiest resolution, and what I would've expected.
It's not discriminating, just common sense.

Weak

I do thank God Almighty that this was not happening when I was in the U S Army.

Men are men, and woman are women. PERIOD

Whether one agrees or not, it’s all a Moot point after Jan 20th. Military will solely be warrior-focused again. DEI, CRT, woke, Marxism, BLM, racist and activist policies, disloyal statements online, ANTIFA, all will be gone. The plan of the incoming DOD is that trans personnel who served to standard will be respectfully given an honorable discharge and VA eligibility, but not for trans care, it is a preexisting condition.

All I can say is I’m glad I’m retired. I don’t have to deal with this issue in any way, shape or form. I am extremely uncomfortable with this issue. If someone asks my opinion, I tell them that they don’t have the clearance for me to answer. I don’t use the local base gyms nor anything else on the base. I don’t know what all happened to my Marine Corps and Air Force but it ain’t the ones I served in. Is that good, bad or indifferent? Shucks, IDK. That’s for the current generation to figure out. Just hope them dang communists stay the heck away from us while they figure things out.
SFMF

… ask Riley Gaines how that worked out.

It is a basic fact, and lawful that only a valid FEMALE may use female designated facilities (while females are present). Same for female focused regulations, specifications, standards. Any male must meet the Male criteria. It is essential to unit readiness, good order and conduct, most elements of "military".
There was a time when men were prosecuted for invading women's showers, barracks, ... why would it be OK now?

I am so glade, I am Retired and do not have to deal with that BS
Hopefully President Trump will Win, this election, and he will put a end to this insanity !

It will transition very easy. It will be like belly buttons, except that everyone will have a vagina. Some will gave innies and some will have outties.

I feel sorry for most of you guys! Soldiers should not have to read or hear this crap. We used to have one mission and that was to defend and win this countries battles. Now you have diversity training???? I am old and glad I won’t have to live to see things degenerate much further than they already have. This woke nonsense will be the death nail to this country if we don’t start seeing some commonsense return to the command and staff. I am sorry if a few people in this country are confused about what sex they are, should be, or were born in the wrong body. That is not something the military should try to remedy, accommodate, or correct. Life is not fare and I am sorry if a few individuals do not fit into regular male or female rolls the military has to offer, but that’s not what taxpayers should be paying for. We should focus on what works the most efficiently and least burdensome for men and women serving. Scientific facts that show someone needs to be addressed as a different than assigned at birth pronoun; or it can cause mental distress; should be used as an automatic 4F designation (if they still use that classification for not eligible for military service). The mental anguish all this crap must be creating for a lot of soldiers could simply be avoided with a few short words. I think its about time that we adopt a “Thank you for volunteering but we do not have a position for you at this time” policy to make the most of the general population able to fill the needs of our military. Is this too much to ask? I fear so with the current administration and selected military leaders appointed to champion this unneeded burden.

Well, generally, about the "Cultural" transition taking place in the military, my granddaughter got pregnant in basic training. I don't remember anyone getting pregnant when I was in basic training during the Vietnam era. Not sure how getting pregnant helps the mission readiness obligation.

Men are from Mars, and women are from Venus, all other are from Uranus.

Good afternoon SSG(P) (Join to see). Excellent post. Thank you for sharingthis Brother James.

Basically, they'll push it until women file sexual harassment suits for forcing them to shower with men.

NAW ~ I Don't Think I Could Do It,
I'd Have To Strip Down, Go Outside, Grab A Garden Hose,
And Let'er Rip.

Awkward question that I truly don't know how to answer

I was at Fort Benning (Yes I know there was a name change) doing the expert Field Medical Badge in the middle of summer. After a week in the field with no showers, we had a rain storm after the duty day. I was out in the rain, nude taking a shower then back n the tent drying off before I realized the two females near me in the tent were still out in the rain, naked. My response was F*%& it and I just kept getting dressed. The truth is after a few field trips with no amenities, no one really cares about that. Although if you see someone giving someone grief about something like that you need to offer to kick their rear. I was in Kosovo and Iraq with females covering my ass and I would have been extremely upset if anyone harassed them. They had my ass when bullets were flying and I felt and still do) it was my duty to cover them if someone was bothering them. In Iraq sexually haassing a teammate would have gotten yu fragged.

There are two and only two sexes - Male and Female - Period

To be blunt
There are a lot of answers but no solutions.
The correct answer, and what you will see, for all of the Officers and SGMs is that the Army will treat the individual as their DEERS identify gender. To treat them with dignity and respect and that a transgender vs cisgender are equally as important.
However, all of this means nothing because it never answers the question you asked. What is the solution to real life situations that happen.
In the past the Women had to make accommodations for themselves while deployed as the Army did not have the solution, logistically, while deployed. In many situations the Army is still not equipped for men and women to deploy together unless on an established base.
With that said, a man and a woman have NEVER been approved to shower together. As a Christian, I can't see how showering with someone who is biologically a female is appropriate.
I also know this would be true with most religions we find in the military.

In short, I believe most of us relate too the two individuals in your statement. We would treat the transgender service member respectfully but we would be uncomfortable.

Long, long time ago, while awaiting Ralphie to shoot his eye out... Yes that far back, it was either Germany, or Ft. Carson, and the "other A&P"{Adult} magazines weren't allowed for "study" down range. I was perusing an article in either JAMA, Lancet, NEJM, Psychology Today; anyhow This is in the 1980's now: I read that the "homosexual community" had a distrust of the following "groups" for these reasons:
1: Bi-Sexuals = The inability to decide if they were Straight of Homosexual... lack of commitment to one lifestyle or the other.
2: Gender dysphoria/Trans: Liars... "Cogito; ergo sum" does not apply to biology; no, it doesn't:
"I was born as an ???, but I think I am a ???.... but I'm not gay/lesbian".... [REALY]
This was published in the 1980's, and was reflected in AR 40-501, Chap 2 up until the current administration... It's no there anymore, you'll have o find a hard copy printed prior to...

The pressures the radical "alphabet" community is putting on the heterosexual norms that have existed for millennia is yet to be realized, but they will continue to deny that they are responsible for the destruction of Judeo-Christian morays. Coming to terms with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was one thing, easily delt with, ignore... Acceptance of Trans individuals as "norms" will be,,, {We live in interesting times}... I hate that curse.

Based on my most recent experience in Army BCT 2020, showers are private stalls now at Fort Jackson with pull curtains. The toilet stalls are now closed with doors on them as well. Trainees are not allowed in underwear inside sleeping areas and must be clothed. You not allowed to have your shirt off at all, nor underwear only. After 2000hrs no Non-trainees are allowed in the bed areas or in the barracks with trainees. There must be a minimum of two NCOs to enter these areas after certain times to include Drill Sergeants. The exit areas are alarmed for exit doors and some video in non-private areas are present. This is because drill sergeants and leaders were having affairs and sex with trainees. Now the trainees have little sexcapades, affairs and also staying up most of the night causing noise and taking sleep from others. This is particularly a problem in the female barracks area, there was several aggressive predatory lesbians' in the female area. After the barracks area was secured for the night and NCOs / DS would leave one female routinely walked around nude, several of the other females complained and basically nothing was done. Two females were constantly pressuring other females for sex and relations. It's a zoo! I was assigned my own apartment above Battalion HQ away from the children and not a participant in this stupidity, because of my rank. Much more...not the Army of even 10 years ago. Bizarro land and no one says anything because if they do your labeled adverse to the modern changes of the Army. You will be disciplined if you openly criticize or protest the insanity. Go along to get along, or commit career suicide. Welcome to the woke Army...

If you're a SNCO in charge you better sing the right song or else!

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Question is still relevant, even almost a year after posting. The answer is "No." No "transgender" in the military or in the showers. The proper name is gender dysphoric. It is a mental condition by which the ill person believes something that is not true. They need professional help, not a co-dependent DoD.

......better ton focus on hand to hand and open field combat......all that shower stuff comes later....

We need to outgrow superstitions against being seen nude. Segregated nudity such as in showers and lavatories contributes nothing to respect for sexual boundaries. This is observed in clothes-optional communities by people who have studied the problem of sexual harassment and sexual assault. This will simplify the problem by eliminating it.