Posted on Jul 16, 2016
How would you accommodate a transgender subordinate in your unit?
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Following RAND's study and the one by the Palm Center previous to that, it's clear that there are thousands of transgender people serving right now.
How should the military accommodate these individuals? Should they be allowed to follow the regs of the gender they identify with? Should facilities be assigned by gender, or the physical sex of the service member?
Constructive responses please.
How should the military accommodate these individuals? Should they be allowed to follow the regs of the gender they identify with? Should facilities be assigned by gender, or the physical sex of the service member?
Constructive responses please.
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Responses: 153
In 1973, when I enlisted, our Institutional conundrum was women in the US Army. At that time, we had a handful of WACs in my career field. By the time I retired, my MOS was probably 50 percent women soldiers.
Later it was gays and lesbians in the US Army. Funny thing, how many of you served with these soldiers, and maybe didn't even know. I for one embraced Don't Ask, Don't Tell long before it became 'official policy.' It didn't matter, as long as the soldier did his or her duty, that was all that really mattered.
Yes, transgender soldiers are a new challenge for you. But ask yourself, why did then enlist? Was it that same duty, honor, country thing that motivated them? Almost certainly.
Now, I grant you, you may be uncomfortable with someone who is lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer or questioning, intersex, asexual, and more. I get that, it's understandable.
But these soldiers are your comrades in arms, give them the same respect you'd want and deserve.
Later it was gays and lesbians in the US Army. Funny thing, how many of you served with these soldiers, and maybe didn't even know. I for one embraced Don't Ask, Don't Tell long before it became 'official policy.' It didn't matter, as long as the soldier did his or her duty, that was all that really mattered.
Yes, transgender soldiers are a new challenge for you. But ask yourself, why did then enlist? Was it that same duty, honor, country thing that motivated them? Almost certainly.
Now, I grant you, you may be uncomfortable with someone who is lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer or questioning, intersex, asexual, and more. I get that, it's understandable.
But these soldiers are your comrades in arms, give them the same respect you'd want and deserve.
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I wouldnt...you are either a man or a woman...what do your chromosones say say you are...XX or XY...that is what you are...NOT what you THINK you are...
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PO3 Edward Riddle
MSgt Robert "Rock" Aldi - What is so hard to understand about this, Brother Rock? Some people carry around a great complicator between their ears.
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Only two sex forms but multiple gender variants: How to explain?
Are sex and gender interchangeable terms? In classical biology, both are sometimes but not always used on an equal basis for some groups of animals. However, for our own species the Homo sapiens, they are not. A major question is why are there only two ...
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There should be zero trans in the military. Stop enabling mentally ill people.
I’d definitely do my best to let them know that I’m not going to dismiss them because of some sort of prejudice. I’d make sure that they are comfortable reporting issues with me as I know how often those issues arise when you are a minority in the military. I’d be sure to make them understand that when they eventually get sexually harassed and possibly assaulted that they can report to me and I will be willing to fight against a system that would love nothing more than to sweep it under the rug. I’d shield them from all the nonsense I’d shield any other sailor from but I would never pretend that they don’t, or won’t, have issues specific to their situation.
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Im glad im not in anymore so i dont have to make these political decisions about everyday life. Life is just soooo confusing the older i get. I try not to understand, and just let it be. You will end up in the psych ward trying to figure life out.
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SGT John Griep
Same here, I was in before any if these things, yes we knew the gay guys in our unit and we left them alone. That was all we had to deal with. Today there are so many special groups.
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I don't want anyone serving that is mentally ill. There are only two biological sexes. The US military is accommodating mentally illness if they allow trans in the military.
I don't get it. In the 70's we had gay girls in the barracks. Colleges today are coed. I've used plenty of coed bathrooms with guys - everybody minds their manners. Are you looking at people's crotches? Are any uniforms different? We had skirts and high heels in the 70's - if you all wear the same thing now, so what? If you're demanding different things of different people, maybe you need to streamline your regs. Stop worrying about what's in front of somebody's butt and get on with duty. This is teenager stuff. Everybody grow up.
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This is a tough answer for anyone to say. I personally never had to deal with this when I was in and I'm sure most who are in the military will agree. However, if I was presented with this situation, first I would ask how would you like to be greeted and then greet them properly. After introductions to the unit, I would need to sit down with the person and ask for some education. Without getting to personal ask to be educated in this manner and then after that I would ask the platoon to come in and educate them as well. So on and so on so that everyone is educated and hope that with this training we all can do well.
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Accommodations shouldn't be made just because one chooses to be transgender.
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There should be zero trans in the military. Stop enabling mentally ill people.
SPC Stiv ChenRobbins
Being transgendered is not a choice. Going through the physical reassignment process is.
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We should not accommodate. That's not what we do. We got to war and kill bad guys.
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SPC Angela Burnham - Since when do we conform to the needs of the minority? Admittedly, I don't understand transgenderism entirely, but I dont think think it's something that someone wakes up and decides one morning when they are 25. Nor do I think this is a group of pervs or sexual deviants. I don't understand is why this group feels they need to have any special accommodations. Further, I don't think this is the place enact these changes. We will have to just respectfully disagree on this one I think.
For the record, I don't care to kick people out or give them a hard time about preference, orientation, or identity. Honestly, if I never knew who was what, I would be ok with that.
For the record, I don't care to kick people out or give them a hard time about preference, orientation, or identity. Honestly, if I never knew who was what, I would be ok with that.
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SSG Jacey R.
MSG (Join to see) - I can't speak for every transgender device member, but I don't think any of us are looking for anything more than just openly serve as ourselves. We are not asking anyone to conform. We just ask to be addressed by the pronouns we identify as and be treated as such.
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SSG Jacey R. - Ok, I have no issue with this. I treated people like people, and rank accordingly. I think there are a lot of people with concerns and questions. Unfortunately, the most ignorant people representing ANY group are the ones who get airtime and that perception becomes a reality for those not associated with said groups.
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SSG Jacey R.
MSG (Join to see) That os very true, the worst of the bunch always has the biggest influence on the unknowing.
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Two questions:
Is "Accomodate" the right word? If it's about equal treatment then Accomodate lends itself to special treatment Yes? No?
The Army has not issued guidelines or amended regs/policies yet? When "Don't ask don't tell" ended how did the Army handle that policy wise?
Is "Accomodate" the right word? If it's about equal treatment then Accomodate lends itself to special treatment Yes? No?
The Army has not issued guidelines or amended regs/policies yet? When "Don't ask don't tell" ended how did the Army handle that policy wise?
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SPC Angela Burnham
A response to trans issues wasn't really needed, since when DADT was lifted it only allowed Lesbians, Gays, and Bisexuals to serve, not trans people.
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