Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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His team leader had better be all over him. That's what I would have seen in my units. Team leader would have blown his top.
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Investigate and evaluate. Investigate what caused the behavior and if there is a documented history of said behavior. Once you have done that, evaluate your options and act accordingly. Remember two things. You are in charge of investments made by the taxpayers, whether they appreciate it or not, and according to Sun Tzu, there are no bad soldiers, only bad generals.
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"We will send you home to your mother a failure and a loser." E-2's don't act that way unless they think that the consequences are acceptable. But, most E-2's, probably haven't thought of all of the consequences. Remind them, in an uncaring fashion, that the path your both going down ends favorable for only one of you.
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1) Segregate the "problem child." Ask him to step to the side along with a trusted lieutenant (in my case a senior LCpl or a Cpl). "Cpl X, PFC Y, do me a favor and stand by next to the connex box for a moment. I'll be right with you. Cpl X, please wait for me."
2) Get the rest of the troops moving. I'm still in charge and they need to understand that. Segregating the "problem child" was the first part. The second part is reassigning Cpl X's duties to someone else (there's a reason for this below). "Cpl Z please take care of Cpl X's assignment." (if I have already given it out. If not adjust on the fly).
3) Investigate the problem. Although the troop might be blatantly disrepectful, there "may" be a reason for it. Everyone has a breaking point, sometimes it's a snapping point. In this case, we (Cpl X & I) need to find out what is going on. I am leading an investigation and he is acting as a witness. I'll walk through the last few minutes of our exchange and make sure I haven't missed a pertinent piece of info, that Cpl X saw everything, and that the troop understands the issue as I see it. The reason for investigation is that "I" might have been sending him into a hornet's nest and taking an $^% chewing from me may have seemed like a better option. Without investigating it's impossible to know. With investigation, it narrows things down and I have a witness.
4) Reassign, Escalate, and Document. "If" there is a valid reason for the troop not wanting to do the assignment (although unlikely), take it myself, have Cpl X do it, and have the troop take Cpl X's (or Cp l Z's etc). Work still has to get done. Further investigation may be necessary "on site" where a civilian/another person is abusing him (or had previously), and I need to find out what is going on. Depending on the severity depends on how I escalate. If the troop is non-cooperative, it gets escalated up the chain with Cpl X's witness statement. But everything gets documented. Everything gets backbriefed to my SL/PSG/etc so that there is a trail.
The big thing is to stay calm. Lose your cool, and you lose control.
2) Get the rest of the troops moving. I'm still in charge and they need to understand that. Segregating the "problem child" was the first part. The second part is reassigning Cpl X's duties to someone else (there's a reason for this below). "Cpl Z please take care of Cpl X's assignment." (if I have already given it out. If not adjust on the fly).
3) Investigate the problem. Although the troop might be blatantly disrepectful, there "may" be a reason for it. Everyone has a breaking point, sometimes it's a snapping point. In this case, we (Cpl X & I) need to find out what is going on. I am leading an investigation and he is acting as a witness. I'll walk through the last few minutes of our exchange and make sure I haven't missed a pertinent piece of info, that Cpl X saw everything, and that the troop understands the issue as I see it. The reason for investigation is that "I" might have been sending him into a hornet's nest and taking an $^% chewing from me may have seemed like a better option. Without investigating it's impossible to know. With investigation, it narrows things down and I have a witness.
4) Reassign, Escalate, and Document. "If" there is a valid reason for the troop not wanting to do the assignment (although unlikely), take it myself, have Cpl X do it, and have the troop take Cpl X's (or Cp l Z's etc). Work still has to get done. Further investigation may be necessary "on site" where a civilian/another person is abusing him (or had previously), and I need to find out what is going on. Depending on the severity depends on how I escalate. If the troop is non-cooperative, it gets escalated up the chain with Cpl X's witness statement. But everything gets documented. Everything gets backbriefed to my SL/PSG/etc so that there is a trail.
The big thing is to stay calm. Lose your cool, and you lose control.
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Is this a hypothetical question or does this actually happen in today's Army/MC/Navy/AF. Maybe some of the active duty RPers can weigh in with real life examples of this or something akin to this situation. I cannot get my mind around the idea as even potentially possible in any day and age, but things have been known to change over time. The scenario doesn't provide any background or insights into what exactly was going on.
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SGT John Hamby
when i was on AD, Sir, i had this situation happen to me not long after i was promoted to E5, i had a wet behind the ears E2 straight out of Basic say that he did not have to do what i said, and i had 3 SPC/E4's standing close by, and they agreed with me about what jobs were to be done, & the next morning immediately after 1st Formation, i had to explain my actions to my Section Sergeant(E6) , who agreed with me about what course of action i took the day before. needless to say, that E2 found out the hard way as to what corrective training & extra duty was for the next 2 weeks
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The appropriate response would be "Please see me after the formation is dismissed."
The leadership theory is that you praise in public, but criticize in private. Once I got him in private, I would explain to him, the "error of his ways," assign him to the crappiest detail, and tell him that if he ever pulled that kind of crap again, he could explain it to the First Sergeant, or to the Company Commander. (Dogs and damn fools get second chances.)
The leadership theory is that you praise in public, but criticize in private. Once I got him in private, I would explain to him, the "error of his ways," assign him to the crappiest detail, and tell him that if he ever pulled that kind of crap again, he could explain it to the First Sergeant, or to the Company Commander. (Dogs and damn fools get second chances.)
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Lock his heels, tell him it's not a choice, then write it up.
Many push ups will happen and said Pvt. is on a doo doo list until I hear the pop of his head coming out of his ass.
Many push ups will happen and said Pvt. is on a doo doo list until I hear the pop of his head coming out of his ass.
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SGT Alan Dike
True, but a formal counseling is the first step in that process. If he gives you that response in the middle of formation, there is a good probability you'll have all the counselings you need very quickly to recommend and back up NJP. Hell, bring your Senior enlisted in your company in for this counseling.. Just ask him to observe.. but it puts HIM on notice that the crap is coming his way too..
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LCDR (Join to see)
I would say something like this should head straight up to DRB. Let him spend some time in the shark tank with the two-stars chewing on his ass for a while. This is obviously failure to militarize properly, and EMI won't remediate that effectively.
Now, if we still had Correctional Custody Units...
Now, if we still had Correctional Custody Units...
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