Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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The E5 should immediately prefer the maximum charges he is permitted. However, the Commander should immediately start procedures that would have the E2 discharged from the Army, preferably no better than a General Discharge. The Army can do without this kind of insubordination
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Back in my day, NCO's used trash can diplomacy to maintain good order and discipline... usually only needed to do it once...
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When I was a newly promoted SGT E-5 at a small base in Korea, I was given the task of organizing a work detail. I was also given 4 troops to do the work. One of them, a Sp4 and supposedly a friend of mine, refused to accept my orders and tried to use our former friendship to get out of the work. I explained to him, in front of the other troops that I was now a SGT and didn't appreciate his insubordination. He tried to laugh it off. He wan't laughing when he was standing in front of the Commander signing his Art 15. I was a young 22 year old with 3 1/2 years in the Army. I learned very quickly.
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In my day, I would have written his ass up so fast his head would have spun off his head. Today, they probably have to have a mediation session or something. Buttercup.
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First they are not calmly dealing out assignments. This is a basic training or AIT picture as noted by the Drill Instructors head gear and a number of other factors. Secondly, it would not happen. A senior E5 which means the lowest Sergeant there is, will not get disrespected by an E2 after the first 10 minutes of basic training.
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I would have been my foot in his rectum. Disrespect either way it's disrespect
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What I'm thinking is you Guys have way to much time on your hands. This should not be a priority, it's rediculous to worry about these ego issues.I think as a Soldier you. Have more important things to do the worry about a PVT2 saying something menial to you.. Some of these soldiers or a big number of them are young kids.Im sure know one comes into the service being perfect.Trust me I'm a Vet and I didn't like these petty issues being brought to me.Grow up with your subordinates not against them...
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Sgt. Horton
I would have chewed them out going and coming and put them on every working party I could fine. And put them on duty every weekend.
I would have chewed them out going and coming and put them on every working party I could fine. And put them on duty every weekend.
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