Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Get in that ass and set up a meeting with the First Sergeant. In that meeting recommend Article 15.
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Well to be honest, even with under a year in and a few months under your command... If he doesn't understand that he must show respect to his superior, no matter what task was given to him for the day. If he is able to get away with this or given a slap on the wrist... The Senior E5 will lose the men's respect so what happens to him must be severe enough for him
And the others to understand that this will never be tolerated. He should be choked until he passes out, give him a kidney punch or punish everyone else BUT him and let them do the punishing while he's asleep or even awake. That will be indeed the LAST time an E5 is shown any disrespect by an E2.
And the others to understand that this will never be tolerated. He should be choked until he passes out, give him a kidney punch or punish everyone else BUT him and let them do the punishing while he's asleep or even awake. That will be indeed the LAST time an E5 is shown any disrespect by an E2.
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I indicate to the soldier not to challenge your command and obey all your directions.. Order him to comply.. If he fails your command, immediately report to the Company Commander for further discipline and direction...
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Make him do so much pt until he losses his stomach then assign him to do the same job that he didn't want to do for the rest of the term
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Order him and his squad leader to stand fast before dismissing formation. After formation, immediately counsel him on his error in judgment and clearly outline his options. Choose next steps based on his choice whether or not to reconsider. Follow up with his squad leader and issue appropriate counseling or discipline.
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Written reprimand for insubordination. Would be folllowed by Captain's mast, and loss of 1/2 a months pay for a few months. Won't tolerate insubordination it will spread through the ranks like a cancer.
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was put in charge of a detail with a PFC and a couple skeeter wings, started the detail and all of a sudden one of the skeeter wings looks at me and says 'your not a NCO, you cant tell me what to do' your right, go lean on the wall and take a break. Top came around the corner shortly and asked me what 'I' was doing. Before I could think of something smart ass to say the PFC tells Top, he told him he wasnt a NCO and cant tell him what to do. Well Top told myself the PFC and skeeter wing to leave. Saw the crute at formation later in the day, dirty, tired, smelly and apologetic. He had the honor of doing stuff for Top that day, under his direct supervision. He never mouthed off to me again. Then a few months later he tried to burn down the barracks
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I would definitely have him and the other troops dperform exercises as discipline simultaneously I would loudly reiterate the oath they signed when they joined, and values of teamwork, cooperation, and dependability within a military platoon.
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Pull him aside, give him extra duty, write him up,threat him with an article 15., then let the rest of the group decide what to do, & carry it out.
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Give the job to the biggest meanest baddest guy in the company and tell him it is compliments of wise as e2. It will likely sort itself out.
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Everyone in full gear.... except the E2... everyone in gear low crawls through the mud, and then does pushups until they can't move... the E2 is made to stand at Attention so his fellow brothers can see him, and know that he is the cause for their pain.... the problem will take care of it's self...
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They would do that task as well as many more...maybe all night till they learned ran and ordrr
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"What you're failing to understand is that this is not a request, it is a direct order coming from an NCO, superior to you in rank, stature, mental capacity and physical strength, furthermore failure to comply will result in sever bodily harm the likes of which you have never experienced, followed by required medical procedures to remove my boot from your ass, now move out smartly punk because you're less that 3 seconds away from becoming a medical report!"
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The first thing is to set the pvt straight then make him drop and do push ups afterwards write him up and recommend him for and article 15 and extra duty to go with it and lose some money. That's disrespect to a nco in the us army.
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Correct on the spot! Otherwise he just undermined your authority in front of the division. Punish in private does not apply to an incident of this kind.
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Since your authority was challenged in front of the formation, you should deal with it and set this E2 straight in front of the formation. I would have handled it this way: You have two choices PFC.....you can do the task as assigned, or you can report to the brig.....either one works for me. Which is it?
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to disrespect those above you is not an option, to disagree has to have a purpose and you better be right and if not then prepare for a but chewing and it will be well deserved, no time for crybabies wanting their way, everyone does what needs to be done and man up about it, we serve each other.
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I remmember a time we were out doing field training and I was the Track Driver on a APC, my sgt wanted me to continue to make my way through terrian in Co Springs Co. mountain ranges but I notice a change in the location we were moving, so i notified my sgt and he yelled at me and order me to continue down the path, as he did I pull back on the levers and told him to look at what is in front of us and he continue to yell and demand and threaten me so I yelled back and him and said shut the hell up and look we where about to go off a cliff unto our death. This sgt gasp and said the f word and told me thanks, I did not report him but he respected my opinon more after that.
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I had one of mine do that in the early 70's and after he woke up and got off the floor he went and did what he was told. Never had another problem after that.
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Repeat my orders, and if he still didn't obey my command, send or take him to senior NCO or Officer in Charge.
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I complete the assignment detail and dismiss the troops. leaving E2 behind, learn his problem/have him explain. My unit was and always be a team
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I would calmly tell him everyone gets a turn at not so pleasant tasks and it happens to be his turn. Turn and walk away! At the first opportunity I would address this with him in private and then punish him with extra duty and no weekend pass off post (if those are still required since I served in the late 1960s and early 1970s).
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