Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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The E-2 WOULD HAVE A MULTITUDE OF EXTRA DUTIES, FROM FIELD DAY THE BARRACKS, TO SPIT SHINING EVERY PAIR OF BOOTS IN THE PLATOON. IF HE FAILS TO COMPLY, THAN EVERYONE PT'S TILL THEIR EXHAUSTED, BUT NOT SO EXHAUSTED THAT THE E-2 WOULD SOMEHOW SUFFER FROM SOAP IN SOCK TREATMENT FROM PLATOON MEMBERS. OF COURSE NO ONE WITNESSES THIS ACTIVITY AS THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF REGS.
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Must respect his commands, no matter what. He is there for a reason Discipline. With out it the chain of command has a weakness. Rebellion leads to rebel not solider.
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Very politely and professionally, rip them a new defecation hole (in private with witness) by reminding them that they did volunteer their duty to the military and if they can not handle the contract, help them find the door out. essentially, in my eyes, an equal response to the reaction depending on the severity of the transgression. (bear in mind, I'm not a kind person to "smart mouths" or disrespect. Fair yes, kind, no.)
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My old Infantry response would be to smoke the whole section until they resolve the issue internally, but that's not really acceptable anymore. Today I would lock him up, send the rest off to accomplish their tasks then have a little counseling session, most likely will standing in that same spot. Explain lawful orders, article 15s, insubordination and all the other ways I can make his life a living hell. But, I'm old and mean...
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It's about discipline and respect. And you NEVER talk back to a D.I. I saw it in 1976 once. It wasn't pretty and it sure set the tone for everyone else as it didn't happen again. Oh, and the Airman who smarted off? Didn't make it through Boot... Guess you could say he got the boot...
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As an SP5, I would make a come-back that consisted of swamping him with my superior expertise.
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I have to disagree with Gunnery Sergeant Pepper. If Pvt. Dipshit had enough disrespect dishonor himself in front of the platoon, then he needed weeded out. ASAP! A chain is only as its weakest link. Marines are disciplined to instant response to orders. There are no do overs if private shitbird, is insubordinate down range my brothers could die. He should have been arrested, escorted to the CO, then to the brig. He was fortunate that E5 did not straighten his collar nice and tidy, wink.
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Cant believe the question is even being asked?....back in the day...any day back then......he'd have his ass handed to him. I issued a a couple cracks to one in my Platoon after he told me to Fk off after I asked him to assist another Marine moving gear, and to think I was actually pretty nice to the boot..(can you believe it) bastard (Kid you not) ran to the SgtMajors office and bitched, he didn't go to the Plt Sgt., or Company Gunny, he went straight to the SgtMaj.......SgtMaj stepped outta the office into the street screaming my name....next I'm locked and cocked in front of his desk..SgtMaj yells at me: "Sgt. Why are you thumping my Marines" I reply back: "SgtMaj he is an lazy disrespectful piece of shit bastard" SgtMaj looks at me....yells at me "No MORE!" and dismisses me. Shitbird is standing off to the side with his mouth agape.....SgtMaj closes the door behind me....all I hear is that shit bird gettting thumped by the SgtMaj as I walk down the hall....he returns to the Platoon, now the Company Gunny is screaming for him.......A fricking huge Samoan Chief Marine Comapany Gunny!....kid walks over to the Company Gunnys office like he's walking to the Gallows...the whole platoon is doing the knife across the throat gesture to him even the LT does it. Needless to say the kid walked outta the company Gunny's office properly thumped AGAIN!!!.......This is the best part, that kid retired from the Marine Corps a few years back a decorated highly respected cambat vet.
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Immediate court martial. No more questions asked. If the E-2 doesn't disobey now, he will certainly do the same in combat and get others killed because of his insubordination. Also issue him an UNDESIRABLE DISCHARGED from the Marine Corps and that will follow him for the rest of his life.
From- Don Drouin, E-4, USMC, Active Duty from 1969 to 1971. Reserves, 1971 to 1975 and proud to have served my country as a United States Marine
From- Don Drouin, E-4, USMC, Active Duty from 1969 to 1971. Reserves, 1971 to 1975 and proud to have served my country as a United States Marine
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As a young PV2, I was dumb enough to do that very thing to an E-5. I had extra duty for a month. I deserved every single second of it. I learned my lesson, recovered, became an NCO, and when that same thing happened to me, I handled it the same way. I worked with my PSG, worked out an extra duty schedule, had it approved by the 1SG, and then went to him, told him the error of his ways, and that if he had any complaints to please see the PSG. That guy retired about five years ago as an E-7.
To this day, I am friends with the very NCO that I smarted off to many years ago.
To this day, I am friends with the very NCO that I smarted off to many years ago.
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Sounds like a spoiled brat that needs to paint, do yard work, pick up trash, spend time scrubbing a shower with a toothbrush, etc. if the pv2 has a problem with working or training then the snowflake can go up the chain of command.
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