Posted on Oct 16, 2016
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Cpl Mark Stahl
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Immediately turn said PFCs life and his squad leader and his team leaders lives upside down and shake until all of the stupid falls out (NCO decides what techniques to use in the "shaking" process). Rinse and repeat for desired effect. Return PFC to APD, post "life shaking ceremony", weather in private or in front of the entire unit. Either way you will know what type of Marine PFC will be shortly after concluding "shaking ceremony", wait on results. If results are positive continue to guide and mold PFC into a functioning and serviceable Marine. If results are unfavorable, apply pen to dat azz and make him/her mama's problem. If your car breaks down it is usually because of something that started simple and the snowball effect ensued. The same thing can be said of good order and discipline in a military unit. You don't get to pick and choose what orders you WANT to follow. Instant obedience to orders, no questions, no feelings just results. After the dust settles and everything calms down and you are able to determine weather this Marine is able to maintain or begins a downward spiral, that is when I would or would not, depending on the PFC's reaction to "unf*!@ing procedures", pull them in and ask about their life and what might have caused such an outburst. Mission accomplishment 1st, troop welfare second, OOH RAH!!!!
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SN Jay Perry
SN Jay Perry
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I agree with your system of shaking and reevaluation. Save what (whom) you can shitcan the rest.
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CPO William Zaczek
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Praise in public, punish in private. But this insubordination must be stopped before you loose all control of command.
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SSG John Douglas
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Grass drills tell i get tired.
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MGySgt Gerry Sweeten
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GySgt Pepper is right....this has to be nipped in the bud and quickly. Take the idiot aside and let him/her know how this is going to end. And if it continues, that individual will be facing an Article 32 with poss brig/demotion/discharge.
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GySgt Ken Norwood
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In 1974 I was a young Sgt (E5) with about 4 months time in grade when, in formation, a LCpl (E3) refuse an order I had given him. Many of the NCOs in the section often complained about a lack of discipline. I ask the LCpl if he understood the order inhad given him and did he understand refusal was a violation of article 92? I asked the Platoon if anyone else wanted to join LCpl X? None did. That afternoon LCpl X was a PFC (E2) and I NEVER had anyone else, in the entire company, disobey any lawful order I ever gave after that one instance.
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GySgt Ken Norwood
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In 1973 I was a young Sgt (E5) and a young LCpl (E3) stated quite clearly while in formation he was not going to follow the order for a detail I had given him. I said LCpl X I have just given you a lawful order to do Y, are you refusing to follow this order? He stated he was. I asked the entire Platoon if anyone else would like to join LCpl X in having a charge sheet placed on them for article 92? That afternoon he was an E2! As Gunny Pepper said, "It must be nipped in the bud quickly..."
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CSM Joseph Briones
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If I would have said that back in 1966, blood would have been coming our of my ears, or I'd be laying on the floor after a sleep and hold!
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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I said something stupid in Basic and was overheard by the Platoon Sgt. That afternoon I got to go 1 on 4 in the Pugi pit. The Platoon Sgt ask if I still thought what I had said was funny. I took 3 of the guys but the 4th one beat the devil out of me. O'yea, I remember I said, " Dumb a-- - Acting Jack. When I think back, not only did I learn a lesson but the whole platoon learned too.
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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This was in April 1966 at Ft. Bliss, Texas
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Santos Perez
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If his jaw is strong enough to talk back it's strong enough to hold a jab.
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Jeramy D. Spoor
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I immediately dismiss everyone and have th dumb ass do everybody's jobs for the rest of the week and PT the rest of his platoon for his mistake.
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GySgt Ken Norwood
GySgt Ken Norwood
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Obviously you have no experience in the military, otherwise you wouldn't say something like your comment! Mass punishment is illegal in the military.
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Trinity Jenkins
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It takes a certain kind of person to become a disciplined Marine. To want to be a Marine. They are the toughest of our military. Better know your place before opening your mouth. My sister was a Marine. 12 years in. DI at Paris Island. I didn't mess with her growing up. So as my superior. I NEVER would have tested her!!!
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