Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
1.85M
16.7K
5.38K
1.5K
1.5K
0
Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 3697
He needs to be me an example of so that leadership is not questioned again. I would tell him to standby then direct him to my office and request the presence of my Chief, who I will fill in with the details before both of us meeting the insubordinate and we shall proceed to light him up, followed by "corrective" training.
(0)
(0)
Did I just hear you right you do not want to do the task at hand. Do realize you just disobeyed a lawful order. Now I highly suggest you get busy and do what your ordered to do. When you are done report to me.
(0)
(0)
Pull the young man and his squad or team leader aside and explain his options along with a counseling statement and a little extra duty. This is NCO business and should be conducted that way. If further discipline is needed, you may need to take it up your chain of command depending on the circumstances or offence. Re member NCO Business First.
(0)
(0)
SMOKE HIM AND THE PLATOON, THEY ARE ALL ONE , if one of you screws up your all pay for it, this builds unity over time ,this individual must learn that his fellow E2s will NOT put up with his attitude either ,shape up ,shut up and complete your task that is given , or be P.T.ed so hard you puke ,piss, and pass out , I've been a military brat from day 1 next in line to sign up and serve, my father used to smoke my brother and I ,it didn't matter who messed up we both got pt and both clean, there are 3 things I've learned from this it's to have honor, integrity, and unity those 3 key skills will take you and your team a long way once obtained and utilized by all in your platoon including you and your platoon commander
(0)
(0)
If they want to disrespect and embarrass me, well it's only fair to punish them. They'd be in the front leaning rest real quick. If they continued to act as such, they would also be facing an article 15 for disrespecting a noncommissioned officer, and be put on extra duty.
(0)
(0)
I would place PV2 Whoever at parade rest, remind him or her of their General Order number (2). Discipline is a must and then make him/her give a class on following military lawful orders. Last but not least if he/she doesn't comply, then I would have no choice but to PT the dog shit outta them, give them a Article 15 and or recommend a court martial and confinement.
(0)
(0)
You signed up in an organization that deals in the chain of command. Do as your told.
(0)
(0)
destroy his soul, point blank, period, .com for all those googles out there. I would disassemble his ass like an M4, put him back together, conduct a functions check on him to make sure he was firing within the proper parameters and if not, I would tag his ass Non-Mission Capable and send his ass to the Depot yard. All Soldiers Love Discipline, that's why they joined the military. Always remember its the politicians who don't like discipline, not the troops. Charging hard produces Hard chargers!!! Lead the fight and fight to lead, that the moto I stand by. I am no old school Soldier, but I was raised by an old school soldier who would have stuck his spit shined boot right up my 4th point of contact if I disrespected him and I have always looked at my seniors in the same light.
(0)
(0)
Send the rest of your troops out of the barracks quickly-tell them you have to handle the situation with a soon-to-be former soldier. Have him put his gear down and stand next to a wall-at attention. Quietly, but firmly explain that disobeying an order in a combat situation is a criminal offense and could resolved with a bullet in the back of the head. In peacetime it could mean charges that lead to a dishonorable discharge which will ruin every day of that young man's life. If he has a problem with something, tell him you'll talk with him at the end of the day-after he finishes his assigned duty. If he doesn't like the military he can see the CO for a General Discharge-McDonalds always needs a fry cook. Tell him, in no uncertain terms, that you're the boss, and disobeying or refusing an order from a superior will land him in more trouble than he can imagine In '68, I had an E3 refuse his KP duty and was going bed. Five minutes later two MPs escorted him out of the barracks-that sent a message to everyone.
(0)
(0)
Me being a E-1. I know that I would not smart mouth a higher ranking soldier simply for the fact that it is rude and doesn't follow the army values, which I feel really are a key point to being a successful army. If I was that E-5 I would put that soldier in his place and remind him of the rules of respect the Drill Sargents tought us in basic.
(0)
(0)
Letter of Reprimand for sure, he or she needs to get the message that even simple sounding work assignments are still orders. I hear tales from friends still on active duty that SO MUCH has changed regarding discipline. Troops are getting soft and disrespectful and this sort of behavior is almost encouraged! Sorry, these types of attitudes and disrespect just don't work in the military. Get out and join the Cub Scouts, NOT the Boy Scouts. You are a danger to others and you should go back to live with mommy.
(0)
(0)
This isn't a pie eating contest...this is the military. When you are given a proper order (i.e. an order that is not illegal or inappropriate) you follow it! I'd give him the same choice my dad gave me growing up. You will follow the order ricky tik or there will be consequences and I don't care which you choose!
(0)
(0)
March him to a place visible to the formation but too far for talking. Leave him there and get on about your business
(0)
(0)
Unless its an Emergency Never ask anyone to do anything you will not do yourself , Go help do the work for a little bit to show them , After one month all my Troops give me 110%, or More, I used DEMOCRATIC Leadership a Lot it makes people feel like part of the TEAM, However if Necessary I could use AUTHORITARIAN and No One wanted to see me in that State of Mind
Different ways to Handle a Situation, the Shit head Correction Officers caused most of the Problems at Twin Rivers Correction Center Monroe WA where I worked for One Year , We got the 6 Bad ones Put out on Coyote Duty around the Outside of the Prison and Things got better for Everyone
Some Situations call for the Best Man to be put in Charge, I was only Promoted 8 years ahead of the People in my Primary of 6 MOS'S Sent in to Fix many Messes, More than Once I had people that out ranked me In the Military Ordered to Work for me Some of them were seen Crying, after the Crisis was Corrected then I moved on
Different ways to Handle a Situation, the Shit head Correction Officers caused most of the Problems at Twin Rivers Correction Center Monroe WA where I worked for One Year , We got the 6 Bad ones Put out on Coyote Duty around the Outside of the Prison and Things got better for Everyone
Some Situations call for the Best Man to be put in Charge, I was only Promoted 8 years ahead of the People in my Primary of 6 MOS'S Sent in to Fix many Messes, More than Once I had people that out ranked me In the Military Ordered to Work for me Some of them were seen Crying, after the Crisis was Corrected then I moved on
(0)
(0)
Hard quick direct correction. Gunny hit it on the head. If he remains defiant, thank you for your service have a nice day!
(0)
(0)
SFC Retired Walt Troy: Have PFC Dummy research Article 92, UCMJ and pick out his punishment.
(0)
(0)
I have dealt with this before. It typically ended with the Soldier and squad dealing with his unfinished detail as well as counseling. Due to the blatant disrespect, I would have recommended a Summarized Article 15. If 1SG wanted to give him/her a second chance, I would work it out so that the Soldier found out when we both met with the 1SG and then as 1SG and I "discussed" the situation have it known that the next instance of this behavior would result in a Company Grade. (Of course this COA would be discussed with 1SG ahead of time.)
On a side note, as a Sergeant (E5) I once had a Soldier tell me he didn't have to do what I told him because his oath of enlistment only required him to obey the officers appointed over him. I informed him that I was a Non-Commissioned OFFICER and I WAS one of those officers appointed over him. I guess he thought he only had to obey commissioned officers. lol
On a side note, as a Sergeant (E5) I once had a Soldier tell me he didn't have to do what I told him because his oath of enlistment only required him to obey the officers appointed over him. I informed him that I was a Non-Commissioned OFFICER and I WAS one of those officers appointed over him. I guess he thought he only had to obey commissioned officers. lol
(0)
(0)
Read This Next