Posted on Oct 16, 2016
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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SSG Supply Sergeant (S4)
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Well in the old days the words beat your face would be shouted. Not now can't drop soldiers
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PO1 J R Foster
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I agree with GySgt Pepper. You have to act immediately, especially in front of the rest of the troops. As soon as I was told to, "Shove it,", I'd tell everyone else to fall out and turn to. I something close to that happen, but not so confrontational when I was in and I gave them their choice, "extra training", or putting them on report. I had a fellow PO1 stand by (I was the senior E-6 there) and my most senior E-5 as well. Their tune changes a lot when they're no longer surrounded by their peers and having him alone with two E-6s and an E-5 really changed his demeanor. He chose the extra training. So, since it was a Friday, after the work was done, I cut everyone else loose before lunch and he stayed around with me until 1600 and I kept him busy cleaning, watching over him the whole time. The next two Fridays were repeats. Trust me, all his peers knew and he wasn't such a tough guy in their eyes after that.
Like GySgt. Pepper said, let them know that going down that road will cost them dearly. Also, never lose your cool and get into a shouting match, you just lose control when you do.
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SP5 Larry Morris
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he would wish he had never been born
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SSgt Dan Montague
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When I was a Sgt borderline hazing wasn't looked down upon. I would kick him out of formation and have him do push-ups until the battery gunny came out. After formation I would grab another NCO and we would tag team him and just blast him and put his ass on duty for a couple weekends. If it happend to me or another NCO again, disciplinary action through the 1stSgt would be next.
Now there is more paperwork involved and treat them kind and understand their needs and support their feelings.
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Cpl Don "GUNNY" Miller
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Write him up for insuboardination
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SGT Mark Saint Cyr
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In this example I say no and make him an example. Because he made the foolish mistake of doing in front of everyone. If he had done it behind closed doors, then it's he said/she said, and while you have the weight of your stripes, I have seen those with stripes go bad.

You have to deal with in no uncertain terms, for all to see, or you will be dealing with it forever. How I dealt with it is posted.
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SSG Shawn Mcfadden
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Quickly. Either in front of the formation or just the private and the squad leader. Either way, the private WILL understand any failure to follow instructions WILL BE SOLVED BY THEE UCMJ!!!!
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CPL Karl Tubbs
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A few weeks in CCF will curb that piehole. This is old school thinking ('84-'93). There where dire ramifications if you showed any disrespect.
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PO3 J.W. Nelson
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Well, in my days in the U.S. Navy, this young so-called man would have been scrubbin' the deck with a toothbrush for the next six months. That I think would be a good start !!
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PO1 Oscar the Veteran Submariner
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PFC Shitbird needs to remain while the rest are dismissed. I need to explain that his life just changed and I am taking a personal interest in his career. He would then be asked to follow his orders and it would be explained that all of us need to work together and no job no matter how demeaning is unnecessary to our mission. I would add some supervised extra duty and a written report on Article 91 and how he violated it.
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Cpl Bryan Clark
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An E-2?? That happens?? Does he still have teeth?? I know I know not in today's cuddly military.
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PO3 J.W. Nelson
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Back in the day..............he'd know exactly what a rifle butt tasted like !!!
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PFC Robert Rice
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I was never an NCO but I can tell you that respect is due to that NCO. He earned his rank! If I was In that formation and heard that shit whether I was an NCO or not I would personally put my boot up that E-2's ass. There is no room for that kind of disrespect.
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SP5 Larry Morris
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in my day his ass would have been beat
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MSgt James Slawson
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Immediately pull him or her out of formation take to office and councel. Remember, praise in public discipline in private.
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SFC Malcolm Haugen
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Simple. I bring it to his attention infront of the formation, tell that person come see me after formation, get statements from others in formation and then council them. Take the counseling to the first seargeant and start Article 15 proceedings. Hit them in the pocket, they may think twice.
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Capt Dwayne Conyers
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Well LTJG (Join to see)… insert combat boot into rectum. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ Repeat liberally.
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PFC Eric Parrish
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EMI After 20 or 30 fighting holes are dug the lips will seal. Or wall to wall counseling if you are so inclined.
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MSgt Ncoic
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In the Air Force, we work within the concept of "progressive discipline", and while that's the prescribed method in other services, I think the AF adheres pretty strictly to this doctrine. But I'm old school (been in the military since '87, prior service US Coast Guard... come from a family of military members ranging from Army, Marines, Air Force and Navy). My first instinct is to conduct some "wall-to-wall" counseling with this PFC. But not wanting to be standing tall before the man answering to abuse charges, I'll defer to verbal counseling, followed by paperwork.

Just recently I had to do something along these lines. I have a troop who does not seem to know how to manage his time or schedule. Has stood up our commander and superintendent (E-9) on one occasion, been late for training meetings, and blown off others in our unit for meetings and briefings HE coordinated. This newly-minted Staff Sergeant is a good guy and knows his stuff, but he just can't seem to manage his time or schedule wisely! My big beef with him (and I made it known to him already) is not being updated on his screw ups, so that when the Major asks me where he is I don't have a dumbfounded look on my face. I also said the next time he misses a meeting or screws up his schedule and doesn't fix it ahead of time, I'm giving him paperwork. This will be in the form of a letter of counseling (LOC), which goes into his permanent record. He knows this, and is trying hard to keep his record clean.

Would I handle PFC Dumbass the same way? I don't know. As other posters have said, this all depends on the situation. If PFC Dumbass can turn himself around during this "counseling" session, then all is well. I know many people who started off as arrogant assholes, but through proper mentorship and guidance, turned out to be stellar Airmen. I would enjoy nothing better than to help this Staff Sergeant (and other people like PFC Dumbass) become valuable and contributing members of our force!
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CSM Command Sergeant Major
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The problem is both ways, Soldiers need guidance , but some leaders don't know how to lead, I have seen these changes spoken here but i am telling you that most of my counseling and mentoring and disciplining ids with Jr from all level. Leaders need to learn to lea and leading is not pick and choose it is leading in all. Soldier loose confident and respect where they see week leadership. Yes today's Military is changing to where one can't scream at Soldier's but there are leadership style's that make up for that and some just don't have it. SO we need to focus more on how we grow and our future leaders and remove those that ca't lead. Our Soldiers and country deserves better.
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CPO Electronics Technician (Surface)
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Based on the original poster, I'm assuming said E2 is a Sailor. Bring the formation to attention and cease all chatter. Hand out the rest of the assignments and have seaman schmuckatelli stand by after the division is dismissed. Keep it professional and explain adverse counseling chits and the chain of command. Tell him that the assigned task is one that you did when you were his rank and that he will follow the order or face disciplinary action. If you continue to get push back from him, have your LPO or Chief back you up.
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SGT Anthony Wynn
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1- Direct in-subordination- (failure to follow orders from a senior NCO despite a calm explanation by NCO to the Soldier, i.e., a Soldier disobeying a lawful order despite a calm explanation to the Soldier by the NCO. and continues to disobey AND shows disrespect to said NCO, and fails *refuses* to follow orders (a must))
2-SGT to Private- "Private, this is the United States Army. This is not your living room at home, or your old high-school. "Private, position of attention, Move! Half right face, Move! Front leaning rest position, MOVE! IN CADENCE, 1, 2, 3, ONE, 1,2,3 TWO...Do that until I get tired, Private, or the MP's will be here in 5 minutes along with Top and the CO.
3- Assign another nuetral (Specialist preferably) Soldier to ensure that the other Soldier keeps pushing until you return.
4- Return with a counseling statement that he must (or refuse) to sign
5- Allow Soldier to stop, "Position of attention, MOVE. Half left, face! AT EASE!
6 Bring Soldier and all relevant paperwork, counseling statements, complete history of Soldier to your company area and have him stand at ease and wait.
7- Inform your first line of the incident with all proof.
8- Go to Soldier and instruct him not to move until you and your First line come back to get him.
9-Ask a fellow NCO to make sure he stays there, and you Follow 'your' First line's instructions.
10 - Watch and see if he learns his lesson. Assuming this is his first offense
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