Posted on Oct 16, 2016
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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MSgt Jesse Tiede
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Me and that troop would immediately go to see the Unit Commander. This troop would very soon be an E-1, and, when he or she got out of the Stockade, I would drive them around to out process, after which I would drive them Off Base, maybe even to the Bus Station, and I would say a cordial goodbye. This E-2 has no place in the military, and for damn sure, not under MY supervision! I personally dealt with a very similar case, back in the early to mid '80s. But, that was a troubled E-4, with a bad attitude and no sense of responsibility. Oh, and this is EXACTLY what I did, but, unfortunately for him, I was NOT the first supervisor to try to work with him, and be disappointed.
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SSG Eric Blue
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I've read the responses and I have nothing else to add to it. Everyone else has hit the necessary points. Yes, in my time, there would have been some time spent in the front-leaning rest position and a few other uncomfortable positions. But the other things everyone else is saying is spot-on in my opinion. Oh, and put it on paper as well.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
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LTJG (Join to see) He needs a ass whooping. I would tell him to do it...that he doesn't have a choice...and that after he's been in for 10 years, makes rank and can make the decisions, he'll do as he is told...and if he does this again, he'll be written up.
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SSG Eric Blue
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As much as I like the idea of an ass-whooping, they would never let me while I was in. There would be little left of PV2 Snuffy to sent to the detail.
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Sgt Abraham Marcos
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I would call in his whole squad and say congratulations gents. PFC Shithead has just volunteered your squad for two weeks of extra duty. Let the squad square this PFC away.
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MSG Jd Cotham
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I would jerk a knot in that retard’s ass so fast he would not know what hit him. That punk would not EVER act stupid again. Today’s kinder, gentler, and politicallly correct Army is bullshit.
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SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM
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Stick to your guys-calmly tell them again! If they don't respond use the pen, which is mightier than the sword! Then meet with Squad Leader to further define expectations!
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SFC Lawrence Washington
SFC Lawrence Washington
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Well you know, Marines does things totally different than us Army guys. I've been working with them for the past 15 years.
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1SG Retired
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Invent time machine, then return to the time where your actions or words led to that PV2 feeling comfortable or confident enough to do that.
Granted, a Soldier could decide they didnt want to be in anymore, and could be deliberately seeking to begin the painful process of getting chaptered, but my experience is they chose someone other than an NCO that they respect to act out on.
Also, since you stated fresh PV2, it's possible that the Soldier has been failed by NCOs in the IET environment, so I would grant a significant emotional event. If that failed, memorialize it in writing with a plan to assist the Soldier overcome the deficiency.
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SFC Tom Crenshaw
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You will do it, that's my choice. With or without pay is your choice.
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SSG Julian Nicholson
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Why is this question even being asked on this forum?
Seriously aren’t questions like this answered in or by NCO Leadership Schools, Senior NCO’s and Military Regulations? An NCO should know how to handle situations such as this before ever becoming an NCO.
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SGT Paul Walliker
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When I first read the question in my email I thought, "a whole bunch of push ups". "Shove it"? We are in AR15 territory now.
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SSG Supply Sergeant (S4)
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Well in the old days the words beat your face would be shouted. Not now can't drop soldiers
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PO1 J R Foster
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I agree with GySgt Pepper. You have to act immediately, especially in front of the rest of the troops. As soon as I was told to, "Shove it,", I'd tell everyone else to fall out and turn to. I something close to that happen, but not so confrontational when I was in and I gave them their choice, "extra training", or putting them on report. I had a fellow PO1 stand by (I was the senior E-6 there) and my most senior E-5 as well. Their tune changes a lot when they're no longer surrounded by their peers and having him alone with two E-6s and an E-5 really changed his demeanor. He chose the extra training. So, since it was a Friday, after the work was done, I cut everyone else loose before lunch and he stayed around with me until 1600 and I kept him busy cleaning, watching over him the whole time. The next two Fridays were repeats. Trust me, all his peers knew and he wasn't such a tough guy in their eyes after that.
Like GySgt. Pepper said, let them know that going down that road will cost them dearly. Also, never lose your cool and get into a shouting match, you just lose control when you do.
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SP5 Larry Morris
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he would wish he had never been born
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SSgt Dan Montague
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When I was a Sgt borderline hazing wasn't looked down upon. I would kick him out of formation and have him do push-ups until the battery gunny came out. After formation I would grab another NCO and we would tag team him and just blast him and put his ass on duty for a couple weekends. If it happend to me or another NCO again, disciplinary action through the 1stSgt would be next.
Now there is more paperwork involved and treat them kind and understand their needs and support their feelings.
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Cpl Don "GUNNY" Miller
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Write him up for insuboardination
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SGT Mark Saint Cyr
SGT Mark Saint Cyr
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In this example I say no and make him an example. Because he made the foolish mistake of doing in front of everyone. If he had done it behind closed doors, then it's he said/she said, and while you have the weight of your stripes, I have seen those with stripes go bad.

You have to deal with in no uncertain terms, for all to see, or you will be dealing with it forever. How I dealt with it is posted.
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SSG Shawn Mcfadden
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Quickly. Either in front of the formation or just the private and the squad leader. Either way, the private WILL understand any failure to follow instructions WILL BE SOLVED BY THEE UCMJ!!!!
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CPL Karl Tubbs
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A few weeks in CCF will curb that piehole. This is old school thinking ('84-'93). There where dire ramifications if you showed any disrespect.
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PO3 J.W. Nelson
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Well, in my days in the U.S. Navy, this young so-called man would have been scrubbin' the deck with a toothbrush for the next six months. That I think would be a good start !!
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PO1 Oscar the Veteran Submariner
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PFC Shitbird needs to remain while the rest are dismissed. I need to explain that his life just changed and I am taking a personal interest in his career. He would then be asked to follow his orders and it would be explained that all of us need to work together and no job no matter how demeaning is unnecessary to our mission. I would add some supervised extra duty and a written report on Article 91 and how he violated it.
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Cpl Bryan Clark
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An E-2?? That happens?? Does he still have teeth?? I know I know not in today's cuddly military.
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PO3 J.W. Nelson
PO3 J.W. Nelson
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Back in the day..............he'd know exactly what a rifle butt tasted like !!!
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