Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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The first thing I would do is ask the E-2 if everything is going well in his/her personal life. I would want to make sure there isn't something personal that is cause the backlash. If everything is going okay with them I would start order him/her to do extra duty until they understand the chain of command. I'd also remind him of what the legal consequences that will follow due to disrespect and refusal to follow direct orders.
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Well, 20 years he probably would have gotten drugged across the compound. In todays Army you would have to handle it a different. The action I would take is this, obviously this Soldier must have something going on in his personal life for him to act out like that. The fact that he did it in front of a formation in front of Soldiers can't be over looked, because Soldiers would try to do the same thing. So if PV2 Joe Snuffy is having personal problems I would try to assist him with that but at the same time counsel him and reduce his rank. Let him know to choose his next actions wisely because his next pen to paper will be recommending discharge. This way you are trying to help the Soldier but at the same time sending a message.
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End that silliness right now.
Take him and his team leader into the 1SG’s office posthaste and explain the error of his ways. If the CoC has your back, and I hope it does, there should be several options on the table for him, both career ruinous and non-ruinous.
Take him and his team leader into the 1SG’s office posthaste and explain the error of his ways. If the CoC has your back, and I hope it does, there should be several options on the table for him, both career ruinous and non-ruinous.
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Letter of reprimand in his file, followed by article 15 if problem persists followed by chapter out of service at third violation.
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Sounds like punishment is the answer. WTF is going on in the military today. We are more concerned about the rights of soldiers who want to change their gender.
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My first response would be:"WHO THE HELL YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO PRIVATE?!?!" Next response:" EXECUTE THE TASK I ASSIGNED YOU, OR FACE UCMJ ACTION!!!!
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FRONT LEANING REST POSITION..... MOVE.
But, seriously, I'd hand off my section to the most senior E4 and PVT and I would be having a serious conversation about his future. He would then read about that conversation and sign for it. Document these cases early, so you can deal with them easier. The more documentation, the easier it is to push for NJP or Article.
But, seriously, I'd hand off my section to the most senior E4 and PVT and I would be having a serious conversation about his future. He would then read about that conversation and sign for it. Document these cases early, so you can deal with them easier. The more documentation, the easier it is to push for NJP or Article.
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The E-2 in question needs a private “motivational” talk from the E-5, preferably out of earshot with other troops. His (or her) options need to be laid out. If this fails then a trip to the commander’s office (MY office) is their next destination. From there we can do a number of things... most likely non-judicial punishment would head the list. If that fails then JAG involvement would be needed for potential court martial proceedings. From there it might be some jail time with a dishonorable discharge. One thing for sure... this insubordination needs to be stopped dead in it’s tracks before it spreads.
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Article 15 for insubordination,loss of rank,afterhours duty were some of the things used to fix any dumbass who disrespects his superiors when I was in
What's up with this being an issue?
What's up with this being an issue?
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Article 15 , captains mast , whatever your particular branch uses , take some of his pay away and confinement to base . If he gets worse talk to the commander about retraining , your post may have a re training confinement barracks or stockade. As a NCO I had to deal with this situation quite a few times , they allways work.
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As a First Sergeant, that has never happened; Airborne Warriors don’t generally yank the First Sergeant’s chain. Should they, just a wonderful opportunity to give a leadership lesson , he/she would carry the guidon on our next mystery run.
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wright the e2 up for disciplinary action probably culminating in a dishonorable discharge
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If he isn't corrected at that time and corrected smartly...then they should exchange rank.
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I would remind the private that he/she has been given a lawful order and that a possible consequence of disobeying that lawful order could result in UCMJ action, namely article 15. If the SM still refused, well then I'd take this up with the 1SG for possible UCMJ. Also get with the PLT SGT for other details to put the SM on as well.
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I do not think that this would ever happen in the Marines! the rest, well you reap what you sow! all this mambey mambey shit and safe spaces produce these ki9nd of people.
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