Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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In with GySgt has that shit happen in the desert. Not much support from my 1st shirt. Not establishing the rank structure early on can put lives at danger later.
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Must be taken care of quickly and without losing your temper. You are in charge. The way you handle it will last the rest of the time shit bird in in the service. What is required is instant obedience to orders. Failure to comply is a General Court Marshall. Do I make myself clear? There is no other way for that action to be carried out. Do it or else.
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I don't know if things are that much different than they used to be, but Extra duty was my go to. Private No Go don't want to do his assigned work? Fanfreakingtastic! let's start with some extra duty! go to Battalion HQ and strip and shine the floors/shine all the brass/paint the molding, you get the gist. explain to them that had they done their assigned duty they wouldn't be losing their free time. Also enforce it by explaining that failure to complete the extra duty task to satisfaction will lead to more extra duty, further if that is not effective your will then resort to paperwork (Art-15) to result in additional extra duty AND loss of pay. TIME and MONEY speak volumes and can motivate the shammiest of shamers.
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My first question is, was this response from the young Soldier out of character. If so try to find out why the Soldier responded that way. There my be something very serious going on in the Soldier's life and he may be trying to punish himself for it. I'm speaking from experience and a good NCO will know his or her Soldiers, and believe it or not, a three (3) day pass may be what that Soldier needs.
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There’s a ton of great advice / options. I think I’d simply look at the SL and simply ask, “you got this, right?”
My point is that if you’ve built what you want to have built in your SLs.......all you’re doing is continuing that development process.
Like if I was standing out front and one of my SLs shot his mouth off to the 1SG.......
I’d look at my 1SG and say, “I got it, top.”
My point is that if you’ve built what you want to have built in your SLs.......all you’re doing is continuing that development process.
Like if I was standing out front and one of my SLs shot his mouth off to the 1SG.......
I’d look at my 1SG and say, “I got it, top.”
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30 years ago when I was in we would have gone on a trip to the wood line or to the inside of a conex. I’ve seen a few smart ass soldiers get their attitude adjusted. Charlie’s Chicken Farm (IDF) was a great option as well. After 30 days locked down moving piles of dirt, digging and filling in holes and filling sandbags the dirt bag came out with a whole new attitude.
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This praise in public and discipline in private idea is not always the best solution, unless you're a politician!!!
Because the ill-advised comments and attitude occurred, not only in public but in ranks, the situation should be addressed right there, right then, so no one misunderstands or gets the G-Rated version (or worse) after the fact!!!
I'd dress that E-2 down like he was in Boot Camp all over again and under no certain terms would I ever tolerate that kind of disrespect without the E-2 being written up and it becoming a permanent part of that individual's service record!!!
In addition, to further curve the E-2's (or anyone else's) appetite for speaking out of turn while in ranks, the work load on the entire squad just doubled. Any further ill-advised words and/or attitudes will not be tolerated for one second... And in the words of Sergeant Carter...
Do I make myself perfectly clear???
I can't hear you!!!
This lace drawers wearing bunch of idiots that have infiltrated the U.S. Armed Forces have 2 choices in my book...
Either Shape Up or Ship Out!!!
Because the ill-advised comments and attitude occurred, not only in public but in ranks, the situation should be addressed right there, right then, so no one misunderstands or gets the G-Rated version (or worse) after the fact!!!
I'd dress that E-2 down like he was in Boot Camp all over again and under no certain terms would I ever tolerate that kind of disrespect without the E-2 being written up and it becoming a permanent part of that individual's service record!!!
In addition, to further curve the E-2's (or anyone else's) appetite for speaking out of turn while in ranks, the work load on the entire squad just doubled. Any further ill-advised words and/or attitudes will not be tolerated for one second... And in the words of Sergeant Carter...
Do I make myself perfectly clear???
I can't hear you!!!
This lace drawers wearing bunch of idiots that have infiltrated the U.S. Armed Forces have 2 choices in my book...
Either Shape Up or Ship Out!!!
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Check this out, this is some of the problems with todays Army, hell new recruits come into the service questioning authority figures.A Sense of Entitlement'"What leaders have observed in general is they believe that there is too much of a sense of entitlement, questioning of lawful orders, not listening to instruction, too much of a buddy mentality with NCOs and officers and a lot of tardiness being late to formation and duties," Frost said. "These are trends that they see as increasing that they think are part of the discipline aspect that is missing and that they would like to see in the trainees that become soldiers that come to them as their first unit of assignment."https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/02/09/low-discipline-new-soldiers-prompts-army-redesign-basic-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1gyxaN6Z8bYXcU3vZ1C03GWKvVp65vBzR8LOjeDZot6eUTQxI4zDeJXaY

Low Recruit Discipline Prompts Army to Redesign Basic Training
The U.S. Army will soon launch a redesign of Basic Combat Training intended to build more discipline.
I would discipline him in front of the squad so everyone knows it will not be tolerated!
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What they are doing is Disrespect to and NCO in the performance of his duties (Article 91) and Disobeying a lawful order (Article 92).
Call the formation to Attention and if they refuse, ready the charges and a Chapter.
Call the formation to Attention and if they refuse, ready the charges and a Chapter.
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