Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Well private, (no longer PFC), I am sorry you feel that way. Maybe you can take the next 30 days of restriction to reflect upon it.
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I would have the 2 pvts stay after formation and then finish handing out assignments. Then I would instruct them on military code of conduct on insubordination .Then send them on their way to their assignments .I would talk with Squad Leader.If behavior continued pen and paper,thePlatoon Sergeant would become more involved, next time the Platoon Leader ,from here article 15.Youll become a professional toilet room cleaner then You'll get to learn about the beautiful Mess Hall. Where they will teach U the sacred art of peeling potatoes.Where U will become a professional potato peeler.
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I never actually had to deal with that kind of insubordination, thankfully, but I agree it does need to not be allowed to slide. Closest I came to that was getting corpsmen & Marines to do housekeeping chores without a major battle. In that instance reverse psychology worked well, but it wouldn't in this situation. This requires clear assertion of expectations, as others are saying, with a specific consequence for failure to comply, and willingness to carry through on that consequence. To let 1 slide is to invite repeats from him, and from others as well.
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These days it’s hard to react for the fact that we have been taken our rights away from disciplinary action . Before if you disrespected your commander you were dealt with, not good
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In a unit with the right culture, the soldiers feel pressure from their peers to perform at a certain level and with a certain attitude. Therefore, soldiers that are tenured in the unit have already displayed attributes that are fitting and beneficial to unit culture and it is very unlikely they will act in this way. The NCOs should not have to worry about things like this. If the soldier is new to the unit and displays characteristics that are not a good fit to the culture, remove them from the position and place them somewhere else.
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Article 15? In my time it was still a different Army. An NCO might have kicked the crap out of him. We had many WW II left overs as NCOs. Geeez, I never though I would be a military dinosaur, and here I am now. I can't believe how fasts time has flown by and how they changed. How soon before we defund the military? Green Lives Mater too.
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COL Carl Jensen
I can recall a couple events when in Basic. One that stands out the most was when we were ordered to fall out and one recruit was still in bed. The Plt. Sargent and another went to his bunk and flipped it over almost making the recruit to fall out of the 2nd floor window. (Top bunk, wooden barracks) That event struck me so much that I just recalled all their names. That was Jan/Feb 62'. OK, we were the sons of WWII generation, we were use to abuse, it was part of crowing up. Comparing the military of the past to the present? It wasn't a place for touchy feelings and whining, it was a place to have your ass kicked if you fell out of line. I see they now revived the WW II uniforms as an incentive to join? If you are going to wear it, live up to it. Those old guys did for 4 bloody years, and many served with me in the 60's with their new NATO bus driver class A's. I wish they had kept the old uniforms. I really liked the IKE jacket.
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On the spot & immediate correction. If that includes having his/her sorry ass dragged away - they should have considered such before opening their stupid mouth. When I was an E-2 my NCO would have decked me for such.
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Well it sounds like your new E1 needs some wall to wall counseling.
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never happened to me personally, but i remember one smart mouth who was 'detached' to stockade for a while . he was 'converted' . when he came back, we never heard his loud smart mouth again .
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