Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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There was a fellow Specialist who told an E-5 to F off. That Sgt. didn't mess around and had that Specialist arrested, charged, convicted, and sent to Mannheim for about a month.
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I've been that E-5, in just about that same situation. In my time, we couldn't do what NCOs in the recent past could do. We did have options. You can report for extra duty until your mind is right, or you can take an Article 15 for failure to obey an order and disrespect...which may involve a short vacation at CCF. I was merciful enough to explain these options in a voice loud and forceful enough to be convincing, strongly suggesting option A.
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Sir, I can remember some airmen going through Correctional Custody. My time in service was nothing remarkable. Though I did have to learn some lessons the hard way.
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Wait until duty is done & beat the crap out of him, next time he will know you mean business, if not black bag him!
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Give his/her ass an article 15 and let the higher ups determine if it is necessary. Ours is to do and not ask why.
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Article 15 and let the officers determine if it is some kind of emotional/health issue. Ours is to do and not ask why.
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When I heard about such an attitude, and I knew about everything going on as Dept Head, I would have a very short private quiet conversation in my stateroom. "You work for me. You will do what you are told when you are told to do it, correctly. You're dismissed." Life aboard a 378ft ship can be fun or quite miserable. JO's stick together and support the Chief's lounge. Misery will quickly be applied.
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I am too well aware that there have been significant changes to military regulations but I was not aware that there had been a change to following orders, respect, etc? Yet this not the first time this year issues like this have been posted here. There is a reason why you have to keep your mouth shut and follow orders in the military, for example it could save your life. I fail to understand where this lack of respect is coming from. If troops do not want to comply with military regulations they need to be discharged. Further, after the election, I am hoping to see an improvement in benefits offered to troops, for example, during Vietnam we were given $45K for our college education and over the years that benefit has been significantly cut when it should have been increased given the significantly higher cost of a college degree. I have already discussed this issue with my senator. In the 1960's/70's $45K would pay for a Bachelor's degree at every school excluding Ivy League. Today, it won't pay for 2 years and that is no motivation for troops to join. There do need to be changes to current military regulations to attract a quality soldier and after this election we should be able to make those improvements.
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Make sure his immediate supervisor is aware of problem them assign him the task he "Will be accomplishing and in a timely respectable manner" also indoctrinate him in the customs, regulations, respect as well as how he is to carry on. and what is going to happen if he doesn't comply.
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Good question in today's military. I recall from years past a story passed on to me from a career Army soldier....rose to E8 Master SGT who retired out as a Captain. As a Pvt. he once grumbled about something he was directed to do from a Corporal. He told me the Corporal threw a punch that sent him horizontal, seeing stars. That was discipline in back in the day and it worked.
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