Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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BEHIND THE WOODSHED MOMENT ......................... FC2, Work Center Leader, ................. in formation, others are not allowed to breathe without specific approval from ME. In an informal setting, MAYBE. In a private setting, ANY TIME, and I will listen. However in formation, there is my Chief, my DO and possibly the WEPS Officer; I would be in their ass with both boots and a peening hammer, trigger down.
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Oh, I love this kind of guys.
1. Have him and his Team Leader "Stand Fast."
2. Reprimand in private with Team Leader present.
3. This is the good part you as an NCO are authorized to issue Corrective Training or Remedial Training in the area of the soldier's failure or short comings. The hard part is that it will require your time to do so after daily duty hours. The key here is to take away the soldiers down time/off duty time.
You have to be creative as to how. Example, I had a soldier who after we had return from the field, after a very long field exercise. Took four hours to clean his weapon and yet it still was not clean. While the rest of the squad was done with their weapons, and everyone had chipped in on cleaning the crew serves. I brought this soldier to my room along with his Team Leader and instructed this soldier to be standing at my door at 0600 the following morning with his weapon. I had to make arrangements with the armor and his team leader for him to draw his weapon from the armory. At 0600 (A Saturday) he with all of his battle rattle and his team leader were at my door. I had the soldier sit at my desk and read the manual as to how to properly clean an M16A1. Then instructed him to clean it, in about 15 minutes it was clean, remember the day before he had 4 hours to clean it. He was standing there with all smiles. I then reached in to one of my desk's drawers a recovered to magazine full of blanks and a blank adapter and instructed him to meet us down at this tree below my window. While me and his team leader refilled our cups of coffee.
We meet him by the tree with the two magazines and the adapter and instructed him on just how long it should take to clean a weapon, but the weapon must be dirty under normal combat or training conditions. I issued him the two magazine and told him that me just firing 60 rounds of blanks through his weapon would not qualify for such conditions. I told him that to get the weapon properly dirty under proper conditions what he would have to do, from the prone, 3 to 5 second rush, drop, combat roll in, fire a blank, combat roll out and repeat until all 60 rounds we expended. All the while his team leader and I stood there drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes. this was back when I smoked. Our Co heard the blank fires and came to inquire I informed him of the situation and instructed us to "Carry On."
After this exercise, we returned to my room he sat at my desk and had his weapon cleaned in just under an hour, and ready for the arms room. I then told him if we were to have this problem again, I reached into another draw and recovered six more magazines.
I didn't have a problem with him ever since that day.
So, have this private cleaning trash cans from the mess hall every day for a week after 1800 hours so long as you are present.
Writing soldiers up for AR-15 is too easy and a lazy way out. These are the soldier you are going to have to drag along into combat and you don't have time then to deal with their non-sense and BS.
Oh yeah one more thing, it's a bonus the soldiers in you squad/platoon know that you are willing to spend your time with them to make them better rather than just writing them up for UCMJ, will have more respect for you and then will go that extra mile for you.
Be creative, spend the time, make better soldiers. less AR-15s
1. Have him and his Team Leader "Stand Fast."
2. Reprimand in private with Team Leader present.
3. This is the good part you as an NCO are authorized to issue Corrective Training or Remedial Training in the area of the soldier's failure or short comings. The hard part is that it will require your time to do so after daily duty hours. The key here is to take away the soldiers down time/off duty time.
You have to be creative as to how. Example, I had a soldier who after we had return from the field, after a very long field exercise. Took four hours to clean his weapon and yet it still was not clean. While the rest of the squad was done with their weapons, and everyone had chipped in on cleaning the crew serves. I brought this soldier to my room along with his Team Leader and instructed this soldier to be standing at my door at 0600 the following morning with his weapon. I had to make arrangements with the armor and his team leader for him to draw his weapon from the armory. At 0600 (A Saturday) he with all of his battle rattle and his team leader were at my door. I had the soldier sit at my desk and read the manual as to how to properly clean an M16A1. Then instructed him to clean it, in about 15 minutes it was clean, remember the day before he had 4 hours to clean it. He was standing there with all smiles. I then reached in to one of my desk's drawers a recovered to magazine full of blanks and a blank adapter and instructed him to meet us down at this tree below my window. While me and his team leader refilled our cups of coffee.
We meet him by the tree with the two magazines and the adapter and instructed him on just how long it should take to clean a weapon, but the weapon must be dirty under normal combat or training conditions. I issued him the two magazine and told him that me just firing 60 rounds of blanks through his weapon would not qualify for such conditions. I told him that to get the weapon properly dirty under proper conditions what he would have to do, from the prone, 3 to 5 second rush, drop, combat roll in, fire a blank, combat roll out and repeat until all 60 rounds we expended. All the while his team leader and I stood there drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes. this was back when I smoked. Our Co heard the blank fires and came to inquire I informed him of the situation and instructed us to "Carry On."
After this exercise, we returned to my room he sat at my desk and had his weapon cleaned in just under an hour, and ready for the arms room. I then told him if we were to have this problem again, I reached into another draw and recovered six more magazines.
I didn't have a problem with him ever since that day.
So, have this private cleaning trash cans from the mess hall every day for a week after 1800 hours so long as you are present.
Writing soldiers up for AR-15 is too easy and a lazy way out. These are the soldier you are going to have to drag along into combat and you don't have time then to deal with their non-sense and BS.
Oh yeah one more thing, it's a bonus the soldiers in you squad/platoon know that you are willing to spend your time with them to make them better rather than just writing them up for UCMJ, will have more respect for you and then will go that extra mile for you.
Be creative, spend the time, make better soldiers. less AR-15s
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"Push up position" everyone else move out, dismissed!
After I smoked the shxt out of him he would get a counseling in writing, and then be assigned to every detail and extra duty he would voluntold for I could find. -0- tolerance and zero mercy at this point...been there done that! The Platoon Sergeant and First Sergeant would also be briefed, no officer needs to be in the loop. This pain would last a while...
After I smoked the shxt out of him he would get a counseling in writing, and then be assigned to every detail and extra duty he would voluntold for I could find. -0- tolerance and zero mercy at this point...been there done that! The Platoon Sergeant and First Sergeant would also be briefed, no officer needs to be in the loop. This pain would last a while...
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Little bastard would still be doing pushups. Or run till he pucks maybe both.
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being Old School Army I know how a Sergeant would react to it. The new Army I don "t know.
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In this situation praise in public punish in
private is out the window. Soldiers these days are about looking for weakness. The NCO was challenged in public so he has to let the others know this type of behavior will not and can not be tolerated. The SM has to be corrected in front if the other Soldiers quickly with no hesitation.
private is out the window. Soldiers these days are about looking for weakness. The NCO was challenged in public so he has to let the others know this type of behavior will not and can not be tolerated. The SM has to be corrected in front if the other Soldiers quickly with no hesitation.
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"They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else."
LOL... Me:
"Fortunately for me, and unfortunately for you, this is not a fking democracy, nor is this your Army - but this is MY platoon and until that changes, you will do what I say or you will find yourself beating your face on the ground until Jesus returns or you will be chaptered out of this Army."
Pretty simple.
LOL... Me:
"Fortunately for me, and unfortunately for you, this is not a fking democracy, nor is this your Army - but this is MY platoon and until that changes, you will do what I say or you will find yourself beating your face on the ground until Jesus returns or you will be chaptered out of this Army."
Pretty simple.
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It should have been an immediate article 15 at least. This is the kind of person that we expect to defend the country? How we long for the days of Fort Knox and the 50's. Where is R. Lee Erney?
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Crush his fucking soul. The first time would be a smoke session to make him reconsider his religious affiliations and help him understand how insubordination is poision amongst the ranks, which if not corrected during a time of conflict will lead to multiple casualties sue to a lack of trust in the leaders set forth by the Army.
Inspire his team leader to correct this action and see it stays corrected and then counsel all Team leaders your expectations from their soldiers.
Second time would just be paperwork with the understanding that a third time would be reccomendation for company grade article 15 and explain everything that can come with that with heavy emphasis on extra duty, pay removed and rank lost.
Inspire his team leader to correct this action and see it stays corrected and then counsel all Team leaders your expectations from their soldiers.
Second time would just be paperwork with the understanding that a third time would be reccomendation for company grade article 15 and explain everything that can come with that with heavy emphasis on extra duty, pay removed and rank lost.
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Senior NCO's and Officers are not always correct and or truthful in their dealings with troops. I was busted in rank twice, but I was right! Poor leadership is more often to blame. Rank doesn't give you the right to disrespect me!
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