Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Look, the young are so disrespectful, and then get sensitive. There are rules and laws in the military. If it continues, start a paper trail, and if that doesn't work,let the senior members handle it.don't just threaten the consequences of their actions, show them. Be the leader the rest of your people need and want.
We had to adjust and if something isn't done, then they become a detriment to morale,and maybe even in the field
We had to adjust and if something isn't done, then they become a detriment to morale,and maybe even in the field
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A Specialist in@my unit did this once to a junior E-5. The Specialist went to the prison at Manheim for several months and came back to us as an E-1 with a completely different attitude.
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Take the private aside and with another NCO or officer as a witness, have him stand at attention,let the private know that his behavior is insubordination and failure to follow orders. Your first offense can be punishable by article 15 resulting in a loss of pay and confinement, second offense can result in court martial and prison time.
I would be willing to forget this instance providing you apologize, follow your orders and give me your assurance this won’t happen again. I will not tolerate insubordination under any circumstances. The problem with young people today is they don’t think there’s consequences for their actions.
When I served in the mid to late 1970’s, I, and or we did what ever order or task that was given, without question.
I would be willing to forget this instance providing you apologize, follow your orders and give me your assurance this won’t happen again. I will not tolerate insubordination under any circumstances. The problem with young people today is they don’t think there’s consequences for their actions.
When I served in the mid to late 1970’s, I, and or we did what ever order or task that was given, without question.
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"Shove it" puts that firmly in the negative, and in need of consequence. That said, when I went through six months of being switched around from supervisor to supervisor, with all sorts of duties from handling freight to issuing portcalls, I was pretty burned out. I took a call about entitlement for a "colonel." I asked "Bird or light?" There was a moment's silence on the other end, and I truly do not remember the reply. I was rude, and that officer was nice enough to let it go.
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I try to attack issues not the personal attacks . That way they can’t say I made them feel less than a man . I’ll just let them know what action they did was unsat . Sometimes an ass chewing needs to be done public but it depends on the person
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We as leaders don’t have time
For those that have a chip
On their shoulder coming in the military every time someone hurts their feelings . If you can’t handle the constructive ass chewing don’t join
For those that have a chip
On their shoulder coming in the military every time someone hurts their feelings . If you can’t handle the constructive ass chewing don’t join
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Give them KP… I’ve also threatened to take them out back. And don’t say you can’t do that. BS… Worked for me on that extremely rare occasion. I rarely gave a direct order. I just told my platoon what needed to be done and assigned certain tasks to my squad leaders. Then I would get in there with them and help. Lead by example…
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Stand fast grunt!! Under no circumstances should an NCO stand for open insubordinate behavior, especially in a public environment such as a formation. Burn his ass, then to make sure my point was driven home, assign his but to the more shitty extra duty possible.
Afterward, once the detail was done to my satisfaction, I might bring the young man into my office to discuss his options and yes I’d try to dig a little to find out if there was a personal problem that caused him to have a piss poor attitude and if there was anything that I could do to help ( I’m not a monster). But he would leave my office with a clear understanding as to what is acceptable and what is not.
In my career I’ve been on both sides of that table.
Afterward, once the detail was done to my satisfaction, I might bring the young man into my office to discuss his options and yes I’d try to dig a little to find out if there was a personal problem that caused him to have a piss poor attitude and if there was anything that I could do to help ( I’m not a monster). But he would leave my office with a clear understanding as to what is acceptable and what is not.
In my career I’ve been on both sides of that table.
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