Posted on Jul 20, 2023
How would you solve the military recruiting challenges currently facing DOD?
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The recruiting struggles continue across all branches. What is causing it and how should it be addressed?
https://www.wsj.com/story/the-us-army-expects-to-end-up-15000-recruits-short-this-year-b5e9de86
https://www.wsj.com/story/the-us-army-expects-to-end-up-15000-recruits-short-this-year-b5e9de86
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I would build a force focused on winning wars and not bending to social pressures. Focus training and marketing on national defense in order to attract people interested in defending the nation. Greatly limit the influence politicians and lobbyists have on military branches, their training, and their use.
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SPC Michael Tierney
Amn Roger Omberg - Well Roger, congratulations on supporting a draft dodging liar. Don never supported the military in any way. Don supported Don in any way that was convenient for him. Remember when he said that not getting STDs was his Vietnam? I was drafted in 1967 as he was dodging. Maybe the bullet took was intended for him?Respecting him is disrespecting every other soldier from that era.
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Amn Roger Omberg
LT. Jesse said I would build a force focused on winning wars, & YOU have a problem with that? Also, I don't care what U think, but we Americans do have the constitutional right of free speech! AH ALL OF YOU, COMMUNIST IN ANY COUNTRY WANTS & NEEDS TO CONTROL EVERY ONE & EVERY DAMNED THING THAT IS VERY REASON FOR THE 2nd AMENDMENT BUTTERCUP!!! Best put UR head on a pedestal. Also, I served from 1960 till 1964, wherever THE USAF SENT ME., honorably discharged...
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SPC Michael Tierney
Amn Roger Omberg - Free speech doesn't mean "free lies". Have you ever been to China? Cuba? Viet Nam? All purported commie countries. But we are getting VN preferred status that will grow our trade and technology exchanges. This should have happened fifty years ago. Cuba? We handed them to Russia when we suddenly refused to buy their sugar or sell them anything including gas and oil. Their choices were Russia or Russia. China is self imploding with Xi's stupid obsession with power and nationalism. Their economy is sputtering, their real estate values are plummeting and their population is shrinking along with too many old people and no jobs for young people.When I first started to do business there 30+ years ago, the people were happy and optimistic. That perspective has changed. They still love their country but they don't feel as positive about the future for themselves or their child.
Yours truly,
Buttercup
Yours truly,
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I would create a way that us older folks who can no longer find work could be working on the back end supporting our younger troops.
As example, I was radioman in navy, electronics technician after that, 30 years software development after that.
Can't buy an interview these days.
But I have a lot of skills that could be put to use
As example, I was radioman in navy, electronics technician after that, 30 years software development after that.
Can't buy an interview these days.
But I have a lot of skills that could be put to use
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PFC Brooke Tunstall
Agree with this. There are a lot of service jobs in the military that don't require you to be young and spry and a good shot.
I'm far more qualified to do my MOS now than I was when I served. But I couldn't rejoin now. (Also, I'd struggle to squeeze into my uniform!)
I'm far more qualified to do my MOS now than I was when I served. But I couldn't rejoin now. (Also, I'd struggle to squeeze into my uniform!)
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*chuckle* ... I'll just repost the answer to your other question which is almost the same...
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-impact-will-the-new-army-recruiting-campaign-have-on-getting-more-civilians-into-the-military?urlhash=8380600
Personally, I like the return to adventure, possibilities and self-development ... in other words, "Be all you can be!". Last year's "Life in the Army isn't great, but we give you compensation" type of videos* didn't really seem to strike a chord with many.
However, what will the impact of the campaign on getting people to join? I'm sorry to say I'm skeptical of any notable difference. The eligible pool of recruits we draw from (Qualified Military Available (QMA)) has gone down due to poor physical conditioning and mental/physical health problems by about 20% from just the last five years (29% down to 23%).
Additionally with the "propensity to serve" dropping about 30% as well over that timeframe (from 13% to 9%), the numbers aren't that great - down from about 1.25M in the 'high quality potential' to about 685k now ... and the 565k drop is hurting!
The QMA numbers are hurting us more than the desire to serve right now. Recruiting videos and other influence campaigns can change the perceptions of the service (and we do need that), but I feel the programs like the Pre-Boot Camp Course will be critical and give us more "bang for the buck".
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* https://youtu.be/nO1wl0yXwGU and https://youtu.be/d1BFA-iTfjo
* Confidence in the military - https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-impact-will-the-new-army-recruiting-campaign-have-on-getting-more-civilians-into-the-military?urlhash=8380600
Personally, I like the return to adventure, possibilities and self-development ... in other words, "Be all you can be!". Last year's "Life in the Army isn't great, but we give you compensation" type of videos* didn't really seem to strike a chord with many.
However, what will the impact of the campaign on getting people to join? I'm sorry to say I'm skeptical of any notable difference. The eligible pool of recruits we draw from (Qualified Military Available (QMA)) has gone down due to poor physical conditioning and mental/physical health problems by about 20% from just the last five years (29% down to 23%).
Additionally with the "propensity to serve" dropping about 30% as well over that timeframe (from 13% to 9%), the numbers aren't that great - down from about 1.25M in the 'high quality potential' to about 685k now ... and the 565k drop is hurting!
The QMA numbers are hurting us more than the desire to serve right now. Recruiting videos and other influence campaigns can change the perceptions of the service (and we do need that), but I feel the programs like the Pre-Boot Camp Course will be critical and give us more "bang for the buck".
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* https://youtu.be/nO1wl0yXwGU and https://youtu.be/d1BFA-iTfjo
* Confidence in the military - https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx
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COL Randall C.
SGT Robert Reid - Yep. I'm not aware of any involuntary "Recall to Active Duty" personnel, there were a large number of voluntary reentries under the Retiree Recall program, especially for medical personnel, in the last few years.
I remember seeing an article back in 2021 that DoD was asking for the statutory limit of how many could be brought back on to be raised.
I remember seeing an article back in 2021 that DoD was asking for the statutory limit of how many could be brought back on to be raised.
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SGT Robert Reid
COL Randall C. yes Sir. I was only made aware by a fellow retiree. Thinking of giving them a few more years. As it stands now it is voluntary.
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Isaac Shelton
“Pick me pick me!”
The problem is that guys like me are deemed a liability due to a prior spinal fusion. Never mind the 296 APFT and successfully completed RIP under my belt because I wanted to prove that I can do the job. When the day comes that we have another draft, I’ll be first in line to give my middle finger. Ironically, OSHP takes guys like me all day long.
The problem is that guys like me are deemed a liability due to a prior spinal fusion. Never mind the 296 APFT and successfully completed RIP under my belt because I wanted to prove that I can do the job. When the day comes that we have another draft, I’ll be first in line to give my middle finger. Ironically, OSHP takes guys like me all day long.
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PV2 Ronald Purdy
Start with getting rid of Biden and the whole administration. Biden is a weak president and the world is laughing at the U.S. young people don't want to serve and die over his failed policies. Put Trump back in office. He was the strongest president since Reagan.
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Want your student loan forgiven, do a couple years of military service
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt
Go for it, I just hope the right subjects take advantage of this idea. We have enough misfits in the military
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SPC Michael Tierney
SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt - Right Peter. It seems many commenters believe the military is full of patriots that are there to thwart communism or terrorists or some other real or perceived enemy of the US. There were plenty of misfits when I was in the Army in 1967. It seemed the RA guys were there to get away from something (maybe prison) and the draftees were there because they got drafted.
I have friends who think they are big supporters of the military but when I ask if they want their boys to enlist, the answer is "no". They want the poor black, brown or white kid to enlist but not their college educated son.
I have friends who think they are big supporters of the military but when I ask if they want their boys to enlist, the answer is "no". They want the poor black, brown or white kid to enlist but not their college educated son.
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The next generation of possible troops has a generation of vets from over an 20 year war being mistreated by the va, the current politicization of the military, the covid shot discharges, and other issues. And we're surprised they don't want to join?
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SPC Michael Tierney
Mistreated by the VA? Not me. The VA in Minneapolis and in Loma Linda have been excellent. The staff and the physicians are respectful and the dervice is great. Maybe you, like many of the critics, have never been in a VA facility?
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CPT Earl George
SPC Michael Tierney - There are good VA facilities and there are poor ones. Being a vet since 1977, there have been many VA employees retire since then. However some of the VA rules have not. I would not even want to think of the number of PTSD claims that have been filed in the last ten years and the the so-called standards that have to be met to qualify just to mention one big problem the VA has and hag not handled very well. I am glad you received good treatment in Minneapolis. I won't say the same about Cleveland in the 80's.
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Everyone has their own perspective on this topic and unless you've done the research, talked to young people or even read articles about the topic, most of these answers just show the person's age and how out of touch with Gen Z they really are. (With all due respect.)
In my opinion, the military can't hide who they are anymore. Before social media the military, for many was an honorable position. Now the young people that are in, aren't talking about how good military life is. On the contrary, they're exposing mediocre (at best) living and working conditions, awful and poorly educated leadership, outdated rules that have little common sense and are merely meant for control. No freedom of choice and being treated like an ignorant child; especially for young enlisted soldiers.
Don't get me wrong there are some perks to joining and some decent life lessons to be learned. But when there's more negative media than good, why would they want to join. They're not getting thrown out when they're 18 anymore, they make $12-$20 an hour working for a fast food company, most states legalized smoking pot and they can grow their scraggly beards if they want to. The military is the over-bearing, strict parents they never had.
In my opinion, the military can't hide who they are anymore. Before social media the military, for many was an honorable position. Now the young people that are in, aren't talking about how good military life is. On the contrary, they're exposing mediocre (at best) living and working conditions, awful and poorly educated leadership, outdated rules that have little common sense and are merely meant for control. No freedom of choice and being treated like an ignorant child; especially for young enlisted soldiers.
Don't get me wrong there are some perks to joining and some decent life lessons to be learned. But when there's more negative media than good, why would they want to join. They're not getting thrown out when they're 18 anymore, they make $12-$20 an hour working for a fast food company, most states legalized smoking pot and they can grow their scraggly beards if they want to. The military is the over-bearing, strict parents they never had.
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PV2 (Join to see)
This is honestly the best response here. As somebody that joined the military a little bit older, I completely relate. Even tho I grew up in a military family and knew the military sucked, I had no idea how absolutely terrible it would actually be until I got to my unit. It was terrible in ways I had never imagined and I was only, even as a SPC, earning half of what I earned as a civilian. It's not always about having a shitty leader in combat, but the actual day to day life is absolutely fucking awful.
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Sgt Jake Jones
Trans Lt Col Says Inclusion is Important to Military
The highest-ranking transgender leader in Space Force says greatest issue is inclusivity. We are doomed, America.
You sound like a bellyaching ninny.
Oh, those poor young people and their shattered expectations! Whatever shall they do? Here’s a fucking news flash for you, cupcake: SERVING doesn’t mean being served. War IS hell, and it’s full of suffering, so if you’re joining and you don’t know this basic tenet of military purpose, then it doesn’t matter how intelligent you are, you’re too ignorant to be of any real use right out of the gate.
Why does everyone deny what is so obvious? There are tough, smart warriors out there willing to be developed into Soldiers and Marines. If only the Army and USMC still believed that and held up to that ideal. But this “we have to pamper them and be less strict” approach has been around for a while. It’s not helping, which is clearly evidenced in the recruitment/ or lack thereof, rather. The rot goes much deeper than that. Every time I turn on a TV I hear and see things like “the US is more racist than it’s ever been” or “the US has a long history of colonialism and oppression”. Patriotism is at an all time low, and we can place the blame for that squarely on wars for profit, corrupt politicians, and a cultural shift that caters to fat, weak, illogical idiots with blue fucking hair that have made entire careers out of pissing and moaning. And these are the people we’re trying to recruit. Gee, wonder why it’s not going so well?
There are plenty of men and women fit for duty, but the military is no longer fit for them. That’s the problem. I know plenty of young men and women (you know, the old school biological meaning of those words) that WANT to join something LIKE what the military USED to be, but refuse to be a part of the shameful mockery of nonsensical bullshit it has become. Exhibit A: https://youtu.be/eyPI0LZVCf0?si=XJixLvdDcf3nCmiB
You actually think this is going to attract warriors that want to selflessly serve an ideal that they see as greater than any individual? Contemporary US military is RIFE with this destructive, divisive, backwards, clown show, social justice drivel.
Your perspective is a joke. Brush up on your Russian and Mandarin sweetheart. The people worthy of the oath of office ain’t joining this poor, sad, flabby, lackluster excuse for what used to be the world’s most capable and revered fighting force. They’ll still fight like hell, no doubt, but it won’t be in uniform and amongst the military’s ranks, because the modern military is beneath them. So have fun with trying to put whiny pissant liberal twats into jobs that were never meant for them. Seems to be going swimmingly so far. This site sucks, and your perspective is myopic and self-defeating.
If any of this offends you-GOOD. If it offends you enough to come find me- GOOD. Look me up and I’ll show you the type of man the USMC used to create. ;-)
This will be the last time I post. Heed the advice or ignore it at your detriment.
Oh, those poor young people and their shattered expectations! Whatever shall they do? Here’s a fucking news flash for you, cupcake: SERVING doesn’t mean being served. War IS hell, and it’s full of suffering, so if you’re joining and you don’t know this basic tenet of military purpose, then it doesn’t matter how intelligent you are, you’re too ignorant to be of any real use right out of the gate.
Why does everyone deny what is so obvious? There are tough, smart warriors out there willing to be developed into Soldiers and Marines. If only the Army and USMC still believed that and held up to that ideal. But this “we have to pamper them and be less strict” approach has been around for a while. It’s not helping, which is clearly evidenced in the recruitment/ or lack thereof, rather. The rot goes much deeper than that. Every time I turn on a TV I hear and see things like “the US is more racist than it’s ever been” or “the US has a long history of colonialism and oppression”. Patriotism is at an all time low, and we can place the blame for that squarely on wars for profit, corrupt politicians, and a cultural shift that caters to fat, weak, illogical idiots with blue fucking hair that have made entire careers out of pissing and moaning. And these are the people we’re trying to recruit. Gee, wonder why it’s not going so well?
There are plenty of men and women fit for duty, but the military is no longer fit for them. That’s the problem. I know plenty of young men and women (you know, the old school biological meaning of those words) that WANT to join something LIKE what the military USED to be, but refuse to be a part of the shameful mockery of nonsensical bullshit it has become. Exhibit A: https://youtu.be/eyPI0LZVCf0?si=XJixLvdDcf3nCmiB
You actually think this is going to attract warriors that want to selflessly serve an ideal that they see as greater than any individual? Contemporary US military is RIFE with this destructive, divisive, backwards, clown show, social justice drivel.
Your perspective is a joke. Brush up on your Russian and Mandarin sweetheart. The people worthy of the oath of office ain’t joining this poor, sad, flabby, lackluster excuse for what used to be the world’s most capable and revered fighting force. They’ll still fight like hell, no doubt, but it won’t be in uniform and amongst the military’s ranks, because the modern military is beneath them. So have fun with trying to put whiny pissant liberal twats into jobs that were never meant for them. Seems to be going swimmingly so far. This site sucks, and your perspective is myopic and self-defeating.
If any of this offends you-GOOD. If it offends you enough to come find me- GOOD. Look me up and I’ll show you the type of man the USMC used to create. ;-)
This will be the last time I post. Heed the advice or ignore it at your detriment.
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SGT Chuck Freiman
"Sweetheart"? You would refer to a fellow NCO with such a dismissive term. Sounds like somebody needs some remedial PT.
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CPT Leo Coleman
It's always good to get a REALLY MOTIVATED WARRIOR (whatever the hell that is) instead of some jackass who actually is trained and experienced in whatever staff function to which he's assigned. It's even more fun when you get a MOTIVATOR in admin or finance.
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Stop promoting the WOKE Agenda and go back to having structure. Leadership has become weak!
Why are they trying to save this private that willingly ran back into China, this person is a deserter!?? Wasting time and efforts on unworthy individuals.
#XoFlea
Why are they trying to save this private that willingly ran back into China, this person is a deserter!?? Wasting time and efforts on unworthy individuals.
#XoFlea
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A lot of it has to do with the message we get out. We think a few commercials are going to work. Who watches regular TV these days? Influencers are the new reporters and the military is bad at it. We need to update our ability to engage the community by show the benefits of the military life and the rewards that will impact your life.
I also think the news is doing a great bit of harm. I ran into an older vet when I was at a high school veteran event. I was the only active duty person there. The older vet asked me about the name changes of the Army bases. I basically said that I like that we can identify heroes there served for unity that didn't rise arms against the US. He told me that I was brain washed. This is the same guy telling others around to avoid the military.
I also think the news is doing a great bit of harm. I ran into an older vet when I was at a high school veteran event. I was the only active duty person there. The older vet asked me about the name changes of the Army bases. I basically said that I like that we can identify heroes there served for unity that didn't rise arms against the US. He told me that I was brain washed. This is the same guy telling others around to avoid the military.
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CPT Leo Coleman
There's a problem with the re-naming of bases, ships, and stations. These things were named as such in the same spirit of Pres. Lincoln's inauguration address. In 1860 we were a nation of sovereign states. States left the union without raising arms at all- until the Ft. Sumpter bombardment. It was assumed that states could leave just as they had joined the union and the President said NO to that. It was a different time. Yes- the issue WAS slavery, which was legal at the time, but what if Indiana or Ohio seceded on the principle of the right of states to be in the union or to quit the union? The renaming was done to soothe injury which had not existed until the woke crowd decided that there was such injury. And that, along with the gay, collectivist, and feminist crowd, is who is calling the shots now. Disagree with them? You're racist, homophobic, bigoted, and so on. It's fake and gay. No one wants to be around those assholes. Except other assholes. Just like no one wants to be around guys who harass women or people because of their race.
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SN Walt Boyer
SFC (Verify To See) - What you are promoting is the supremacy of the federal government over the people and the States. The States and the people are in fact supreme over the federal government and States do indeed have the constitutional right to secede from the union and even abolish the government if it should become tyrannical. Read the words of the Declaration of Independence "That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." The framers of our Constitution relied on several documents to construct our constitution and the Declaration of Independence is one of those documents. You can find in our framers writings that the States are supreme and the federal government is a limited body made from the states. Remember this ALL powers not granted the federal government nor restricted from the States belong to the States and the people within.... The power of sucession is not prohibited to the States in the Constitution neither is the power to stop a State from withdrawing from the Union granted to the Federal.
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First and foremost, stop trying to recruit people who are overly interested in sexual orientation and identity, "social justice", and socialism. Instead get back to go after young men who want to prove themselves by doing something honorable, difficult and badass. Show footage of intense, hard as hell training, high tech equipment, fast paced environments and stuff being blown up.
I honestly don't know who the brass at Recruiting Command thinks their target audience is. They have clearly forgotten that it's 17-24 year Olds with raging testosterone and a gut level love for the red, white blue.
The next that needs to be realized is how much recruiting happens without recruiters being involved. What vets say about the military when they get out and the general perception of the military is huge. One way you can get people lining up is if they believe the military is a financially smart decision despite the common misconception that soldiers are poor. You can do this by giving real meaningful financial advice to new soldiers. Show them that because they aren't paying a cent for housing, food or utilities they can be setting themselves up for their future. That if they set aside a good amount of money each month they can put a very large down payment on a nice car in a year or buy an average used car in cash. And actually break down how much they need to save each month in order to reach that goal in the time alloted. Explain how interest rates and credit cards work and how to build their credit. Anyone that spends just 4 years in the army can easily have a paid off vehicle and 10-20% down payment ready for a house.
You start having a bunch of younger guys getting out of the military talking about how it set them up to live stress free financially, your gunna start seeing a lot more people showing up at recruiting offices. After all, those 17-24 year olds are more likely to hear about the stuff 22-29 year olds are saying about the military than they are to hear it from a retiring E8 or 0-5.
Essentially go back to the old ways and add in some help for the guys that do join.
I honestly don't know who the brass at Recruiting Command thinks their target audience is. They have clearly forgotten that it's 17-24 year Olds with raging testosterone and a gut level love for the red, white blue.
The next that needs to be realized is how much recruiting happens without recruiters being involved. What vets say about the military when they get out and the general perception of the military is huge. One way you can get people lining up is if they believe the military is a financially smart decision despite the common misconception that soldiers are poor. You can do this by giving real meaningful financial advice to new soldiers. Show them that because they aren't paying a cent for housing, food or utilities they can be setting themselves up for their future. That if they set aside a good amount of money each month they can put a very large down payment on a nice car in a year or buy an average used car in cash. And actually break down how much they need to save each month in order to reach that goal in the time alloted. Explain how interest rates and credit cards work and how to build their credit. Anyone that spends just 4 years in the army can easily have a paid off vehicle and 10-20% down payment ready for a house.
You start having a bunch of younger guys getting out of the military talking about how it set them up to live stress free financially, your gunna start seeing a lot more people showing up at recruiting offices. After all, those 17-24 year olds are more likely to hear about the stuff 22-29 year olds are saying about the military than they are to hear it from a retiring E8 or 0-5.
Essentially go back to the old ways and add in some help for the guys that do join.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
SGT (Join to see) -
W H A T ?......
Was It A Standard Deduction And Also Tax Deductible?
Which Branch, And Of Which Country Were You Serving?
W H A T ?......
Was It A Standard Deduction And Also Tax Deductible?
Which Branch, And Of Which Country Were You Serving?
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There are 4 major reasons the recruiting is such a struggle today.
1. Patriots are and were vilified for standing up for Democracy on January 6, 2020. Secondly parents who stood up for our children were called Terrorist. If one is treated as a terrorist for standing up for our Constitution and Children then why would one think treatment would be any better while serving in our military.
2. The current administration shows no love/protection for our country. Leaving our borders wide open and giving more support to illegal aliens than we do our own veterans is a clear sign we have failed as a nation.
3. The experimental jabs that were mandated in the military wrecked families, careers, and introduced our own soldiers to a list of side effects and life threatening harm like never seen before in history. The democratic party shot down reenlistment for the servicemen that were forced out because of not taking the jab.
4. Lastly but the major factor in the struggle to recruit for the military because they too are "Woke". No one cares about inclusiveness of the extremes. It has no part or place in the military. To make accommodations for the extreme few that does not fit in a "gender" is foolish and backwards thinking as the military's goal is to make us unified as humanly possible. These special accommodations only further divide and cause friction.
1. Patriots are and were vilified for standing up for Democracy on January 6, 2020. Secondly parents who stood up for our children were called Terrorist. If one is treated as a terrorist for standing up for our Constitution and Children then why would one think treatment would be any better while serving in our military.
2. The current administration shows no love/protection for our country. Leaving our borders wide open and giving more support to illegal aliens than we do our own veterans is a clear sign we have failed as a nation.
3. The experimental jabs that were mandated in the military wrecked families, careers, and introduced our own soldiers to a list of side effects and life threatening harm like never seen before in history. The democratic party shot down reenlistment for the servicemen that were forced out because of not taking the jab.
4. Lastly but the major factor in the struggle to recruit for the military because they too are "Woke". No one cares about inclusiveness of the extremes. It has no part or place in the military. To make accommodations for the extreme few that does not fit in a "gender" is foolish and backwards thinking as the military's goal is to make us unified as humanly possible. These special accommodations only further divide and cause friction.
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Amn Roger Omberg
I Thank You for that thot, because if You remember back in I believe 2014, when NOBAMA had the MILITARY Recruiter's were not allowed to carry sidearms, while on duty, then one day during the IRAQI, war, I Think, there was an incident in TENNESEE where 7 marine recruiter's were gunned down, & the WH, & NOBAMA, blasted the news media for even making a big deal out of that incident, at any rate the police, I believe found that person, & shot & killed him on the spot!!
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Get rid of this woke and liberal garbage.
Get a cadre of leaders who can be respected. Stop looking at our military as a social experiment.
Get LGBTQ out of the military, completely out and do not allow them to appeal.....
Get a cadre of leaders who can be respected. Stop looking at our military as a social experiment.
Get LGBTQ out of the military, completely out and do not allow them to appeal.....
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You couldn't match me on your best day!
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SFC (Join to see) I'm surprised with your superior attitude that you didn't realize that there are Specialist ranks above E-5.
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Army and Navy recruiting numbers have fallen off the statistical cliff. We're not in a "hot" war, so what do young people want? Let's see, hmm...better pay, training, opportunities, and benefits? Oh wait, that's what it was 40 years ago. I don't think Congress and DoD should have to "deep-dive" too far beyond these areas.
If Congress wants to conduct an exploratory hearing, I'd recommend they start by reassessing our national security priorities, which drive the NDAA and budget requests for end strengths. It is important because DoD will look at how to support/achieve those strategic priorities and then conjure up their own endless litany of priorities. DoD then requests a budget for end-strength to meet all those priorities. We need to get end strength requirements right by ensuring we have our national security priorities in check and DoD requirements in check.
If Congress wants to conduct an exploratory hearing, I'd recommend they start by reassessing our national security priorities, which drive the NDAA and budget requests for end strengths. It is important because DoD will look at how to support/achieve those strategic priorities and then conjure up their own endless litany of priorities. DoD then requests a budget for end-strength to meet all those priorities. We need to get end strength requirements right by ensuring we have our national security priorities in check and DoD requirements in check.
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My favorite comment within this post was from 1SG Brian Holt. "...if everyone gets "free college", "free medical care", "loan forgiveness"... the only incentives left are "adventure" and "service to country".
For a long time, those incentives were unique to military service, especially the very appealing college incentives. The quote above reveals common patterns of flawed decision-making amongst our Nation's leadership, such as neglect of interdependencies, and reliance on short-term gains without considering long-term consequences on those interdependencies; military recruiting, et al.
For a long time, those incentives were unique to military service, especially the very appealing college incentives. The quote above reveals common patterns of flawed decision-making amongst our Nation's leadership, such as neglect of interdependencies, and reliance on short-term gains without considering long-term consequences on those interdependencies; military recruiting, et al.
CPT Leo Coleman
What about the incentive to dress up like another sex? It's good for diversequality or something....
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Amn Roger Omberg
SIR< I agree with Your statements, however You must realize that the DOD /DOJ are tied together, at the hip, because the only thing on their radar right now is getting TRUMP!
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As For Myself, It's Difficult To Say, Because I Enlisted On My 17th Birthday.
I Wasn't Too Sure What To Expect; But It Gave Me A Job, A Place To Stay,
And A Few Bucks In My Pocket.
HOWEVER, When I Arrived In Basic & Inquired About Taking My GED,
As I Was An 8th Grade DROP OUT.....I Discovered 1,000,'s Of Educational Programs
I Could Take & Complete, To Get A REAL Education.... And That's Exactly What I Did.
For The Entire 4 Year Period.... FREE~~ Not A Dime.~And ALL Of Them I Wanted To Take
SO,Point Out Those Benefits PLUS The GI Bill, & Even The Possibility of Retirement After Just 20 Years, Regardless Of Your Age.....HELL, Had I Made The USAF My Career, I Could Have Retired at 37
In Addition, The Free Health Care Provided By The VA, For The Rest Of Your Life....Medical, Optical, Prescription Medication...A Full Aray Of Benefits....;
HEY GUYS ... What Else We Got For The New Recruits?
OH Ya, I ALMOST Forgot....... The Lady's Love To See Us In Our Uniform...
~~ That ALONE, Is Worth Enlisting ~~
I Wasn't Too Sure What To Expect; But It Gave Me A Job, A Place To Stay,
And A Few Bucks In My Pocket.
HOWEVER, When I Arrived In Basic & Inquired About Taking My GED,
As I Was An 8th Grade DROP OUT.....I Discovered 1,000,'s Of Educational Programs
I Could Take & Complete, To Get A REAL Education.... And That's Exactly What I Did.
For The Entire 4 Year Period.... FREE~~ Not A Dime.~And ALL Of Them I Wanted To Take
SO,Point Out Those Benefits PLUS The GI Bill, & Even The Possibility of Retirement After Just 20 Years, Regardless Of Your Age.....HELL, Had I Made The USAF My Career, I Could Have Retired at 37
In Addition, The Free Health Care Provided By The VA, For The Rest Of Your Life....Medical, Optical, Prescription Medication...A Full Aray Of Benefits....;
HEY GUYS ... What Else We Got For The New Recruits?
OH Ya, I ALMOST Forgot....... The Lady's Love To See Us In Our Uniform...
~~ That ALONE, Is Worth Enlisting ~~
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
PV2 (Join to see) -...
Regardless Of EVERYTHING Else,
You Seem It To Be Necessary To Elevate Yourself,
Only By Attempting To Bring Others Down To Your Level.
How's It Working For You?
Regardless Of EVERYTHING Else,
You Seem It To Be Necessary To Elevate Yourself,
Only By Attempting To Bring Others Down To Your Level.
How's It Working For You?
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
PV2 (Join to see) - ......
Now I see How And Why, You May Be The Way You Are:
"Ya Ain't Got & Never Have Had Any Authority" Therefore Lacking Leadership Abilities While Being TOLD What To Do:....Here's Your Military Job Description As A PV2.
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ABOUT:
This rank, known and often described as "PV2", is also officially the rank of private. It is one step above the initial rank of private. Soldiers holding this rank have the insignia of one chevron to differentiate them from newly enlisted privates.
Privates holding the rank of E-2 are the most basic soldiers in the active Army.
There are in charge of only themselves and their job is to execute an assigned duty to the best of their ability as well as to follow all the commands of those appointed over them.
Cited Sources:
U.S. Army Ranks List - Lowest to Highest. (n.d.). Retrieved from https://www.federalpay.org/military/army/ranks
Now I see How And Why, You May Be The Way You Are:
"Ya Ain't Got & Never Have Had Any Authority" Therefore Lacking Leadership Abilities While Being TOLD What To Do:....Here's Your Military Job Description As A PV2.
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ABOUT:
This rank, known and often described as "PV2", is also officially the rank of private. It is one step above the initial rank of private. Soldiers holding this rank have the insignia of one chevron to differentiate them from newly enlisted privates.
Privates holding the rank of E-2 are the most basic soldiers in the active Army.
There are in charge of only themselves and their job is to execute an assigned duty to the best of their ability as well as to follow all the commands of those appointed over them.
Cited Sources:
U.S. Army Ranks List - Lowest to Highest. (n.d.). Retrieved from https://www.federalpay.org/military/army/ranks
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SPC Michael Tierney
You should have taken a composition class along the way. Maybe your essay would be coherent if you had.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
SPC Michael Tierney - ...
My Apologies, MIKE; But When I'm Angry And I'm Having To Deal With Fools & Idiots, It's Difficult To Maintain My Composure. I Could Go Back And Reword My Comments, But I'm Relatively Sure You Understood Them.
If You Have ANY Questions, Please Feel Free To Ask ..
And You MAY Wish To Read My Bio First. ~ It's Only a Suggestion~
THANKS, Mike. I Appreciate Your Comments & Attention.
My Apologies, MIKE; But When I'm Angry And I'm Having To Deal With Fools & Idiots, It's Difficult To Maintain My Composure. I Could Go Back And Reword My Comments, But I'm Relatively Sure You Understood Them.
If You Have ANY Questions, Please Feel Free To Ask ..
And You MAY Wish To Read My Bio First. ~ It's Only a Suggestion~
THANKS, Mike. I Appreciate Your Comments & Attention.
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Make it tougher. We are soft. This business is dealing with death. Honor, integrity and courage. I think JFK said it best; "effort and courage is not enough without purpose and direction". Leaving any of the four out of the equation means failure
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
As JOHN WAYNE Is Credited To Have Said :
"Life Is Difficult Enough, Every Day,
It's Just Tougher When Your Also
STUPID"
"Life Is Difficult Enough, Every Day,
It's Just Tougher When Your Also
STUPID"
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SGT Chuck Freiman
John Wayne was a draft dodger during the Second World War. Who cares what he had to say.
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I think we should bring back the draft, but with a twist. Everybody's got to give 2 years. {I'm tempted to say 30 months to 3 years, but let's keep it do-able.} Folks could choose to enter service before or after OJT training or college. The twist? They could choose which national service they want to serve with -- the military, AmeriCorps {including NCCC, VISTA, etc.}, the Peace Corps {hearts + minds do matter}, etc. In exchange, we can get rid of the whole national feud about free college {or other training} if all who serve receive ed benefits in exchange. ... I think it could help boost enlistments. But more than that, it will be bring back the idea that we are, in fact, like it or not, ALL in this together.
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Let me put it this way. Without a new war that can be justified there is just going to be a shortage of new recruits. The military isn't for the younger generations. They join with the expectation to do a job, the most they qualified for. But we use them for anything. In my time as a soldier I have been teaching children math, mowing grass, being a gate guard, setting up a theater for an officer etc. So when kids don't meet their expectations they take to social media and post to their friends. But the same happens when the army "fails". SHARP cases are way much more frequent than we would like. We would like that to be 0. That s very destructive but the units are ineffective in removing this cancer. Add in genesis screening out everyone and you got a remedy for disaster.
So my solutions? Training. Take the fat guy. Make him fit. Take the mentally weak. Make him strong. Teach people their job. We have too many soldiers feeling inadequate or imposter syndrome because training is severely lacking in some units. A good NCO can turn a wimp into a confident hero.
But here s the kicker. Without getting deployed soldiers have nothing to feel pride. Soldiers that were never deployed feel like their service was in vain. Sometimes soldiers that were deployed feel that way. Especially if you lost friends for failed policies. So we need victories. We can't fix the middle east. It is beyond saving. We need to fight in wars that we can win but also that the younger generations believe in.
I will also add that politics have a big deal to do with lower numbers. Recruits have to adopt the army culture but it has grown so foreign to normal citizens that they may not want to be a part of it. So our military culture needs to return to American values that won't make recruits compromise their integrity for a pay check.
If that is too long my main ideas are a change to military culture, more training, clear expectations about army life and work with recruits instead of discarding every single problem.
So my solutions? Training. Take the fat guy. Make him fit. Take the mentally weak. Make him strong. Teach people their job. We have too many soldiers feeling inadequate or imposter syndrome because training is severely lacking in some units. A good NCO can turn a wimp into a confident hero.
But here s the kicker. Without getting deployed soldiers have nothing to feel pride. Soldiers that were never deployed feel like their service was in vain. Sometimes soldiers that were deployed feel that way. Especially if you lost friends for failed policies. So we need victories. We can't fix the middle east. It is beyond saving. We need to fight in wars that we can win but also that the younger generations believe in.
I will also add that politics have a big deal to do with lower numbers. Recruits have to adopt the army culture but it has grown so foreign to normal citizens that they may not want to be a part of it. So our military culture needs to return to American values that won't make recruits compromise their integrity for a pay check.
If that is too long my main ideas are a change to military culture, more training, clear expectations about army life and work with recruits instead of discarding every single problem.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
AND ~~ While You're At It,
Teach Each To Be Responsible For Their Own Actions,
And Leadership Abilities, As Well.
Make MEN Out Of Them; We Already Have Our Quota,
And An Over Abundance Of Woosies....
~~ OLD SCHOOL: USAF 1961 - 1965.... ~~
Vietnam Era ~ Cold War With Russia, Cuban Crisis ~ Bay Of Pigs Screw-Up ~~
Assassination Of John Fitzgerald Kennedy - US President.
(And Many Of Us Still Believe VICE President Johnson Was Involved)
When ONLY MEN Were Allowed To Enlist.
Teach Each To Be Responsible For Their Own Actions,
And Leadership Abilities, As Well.
Make MEN Out Of Them; We Already Have Our Quota,
And An Over Abundance Of Woosies....
~~ OLD SCHOOL: USAF 1961 - 1965.... ~~
Vietnam Era ~ Cold War With Russia, Cuban Crisis ~ Bay Of Pigs Screw-Up ~~
Assassination Of John Fitzgerald Kennedy - US President.
(And Many Of Us Still Believe VICE President Johnson Was Involved)
When ONLY MEN Were Allowed To Enlist.
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As a former Marketing OIC for the WIARNG, I know recruits join for various reasons, technical training, college tuition, service to country, etc. The one thing all of these recruits had in common was the desire to be a part of something bigger than themselves. They want to be part of a respectable organization that represents the best of what our country has to offer. Woke recruiting that focuses on the individual will not work! They need to focus on the values, traditions, opportunities & challenges, and honor. I have always had the opinion that the Marines had the best recruiting message..The Few, The Proud, The Marines! This message has stayed constant and demonstrates that this organization is the best of the best. They do not change their message or reinvent themselves with new slogans.
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Amn Roger Omberg
WE as Americans have always been glad to pay the price, when it comes down to the corrupt, or who will serve OUR nation honorable, We choose FREEDOM!!
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