Posted on Jul 20, 2023
How would you solve the military recruiting challenges currently facing DOD?
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The recruiting struggles continue across all branches. What is causing it and how should it be addressed?
https://www.wsj.com/story/the-us-army-expects-to-end-up-15000-recruits-short-this-year-b5e9de86
https://www.wsj.com/story/the-us-army-expects-to-end-up-15000-recruits-short-this-year-b5e9de86
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Responses: 436
CAPT Tom Kap
I hate to be flippant, but the nonsense we see in our miliary, the shameful withdrawal from Afghanistan, Biden's checking his watch as the bodies of the fallen were returned to Dover and one party's lock step refusal to be introspective with its policies many of them must know are destructive is my reason for being so...
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
CAPT Tom Kap -
YUP ~~ A LOT Like POLITICS, Huh?...
And It Was ~ "We The People" ~ Whom Put Them In Office.
YUP ~~ A LOT Like POLITICS, Huh?...
And It Was ~ "We The People" ~ Whom Put Them In Office.
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SGT Chuck Freiman
CAPT Kap, I'm as Blue as Blue can be. Yet I would never presume to outlaw any political party.
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Recruitment is not the only problem facing the military. They are also having problems with increased suicides, increased incidences of unwanted pregnancies, and low morale. There is nothing we can do about these problems. The problems stem from the current Administration's WOKE demands on the military. The military is assigned to be a fighting force, not a place where the troops should be worrying about offending someone by using the wrong pronoun. The military's mission is war readiness, not political/social correctness.
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get rid of the woke garbage. transvestites being used in recruiting ads are not a positive image that projects strength
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SGT Chuck Freiman
SPC Harrell, "transvestites being used in recruiting ads"? Care to give an example.
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It's very obvious what's causing the low numbers. The military is invested in WOKE culture, LGBTQXYZ BS and people don't want to join the military only to be lectured about which pronouns are "safe". The LGBTQ segment of society is estimated at 1 or 2 % of the population. The pentagon is destroying the fabric of military culture for that small number. Vaccine mandates don't help either. People don't want to join an organization that forces them to get jabbed by something that could kill them. This is all being orchestrated by communists who are actively undermining the entire country and the military is part of that. This is all political and needs to be reversed.
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Quit trying to live in a vacuum and in the past. Lots of other countries have issues with recruiting, look at what they are doing and adapt those practices to meet our needs. Society has changed but military recruiting standards really haven't, so the pool of eligible candidates keeps getting smaller and smaller. A top to bottom review of standards for eligibility needs to be conducted and bounced off what the needs of the military really are. Some standards need to be maintained, but I think an honest evaluation will show many can go and/or be waived.
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Sgt Jake Jones
Myopic officers like you that think that prescribing policies that other countries are using will work in this country are half the problem.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
Quite Frankly, I've Always Thought It To Be A Mistake When The Draft Was Ended.
Because All We Men Expected To Serve ~ Either Enlist Or By Being Drafted. And Now We Don't Even Have The Ever Popular "Draft Dodgers"; I Also Believe The Females Of Our Species Should Serve As Well; Not Only Does It Add To The Males Maturing Into Men, It Would Be About The Same For The Females, As They Learn To Accept Responsibilities As Well.. Plus All The Educational Benefits Available In & Out Of The Service ~ Thereby Increasing The Number Of The Better Educated People In Our Country ~~
It's A "Win-Win" Situation For Us All.
Because All We Men Expected To Serve ~ Either Enlist Or By Being Drafted. And Now We Don't Even Have The Ever Popular "Draft Dodgers"; I Also Believe The Females Of Our Species Should Serve As Well; Not Only Does It Add To The Males Maturing Into Men, It Would Be About The Same For The Females, As They Learn To Accept Responsibilities As Well.. Plus All The Educational Benefits Available In & Out Of The Service ~ Thereby Increasing The Number Of The Better Educated People In Our Country ~~
It's A "Win-Win" Situation For Us All.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney I've always been in favor of some type of mandatory service for all citizens between 18-28. That doesn't necessarily mean military service though. There are plenty of non-military functions that could instill the same discipline, commaradrie and love of country that one gets in the military.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
I'd Prefer The Military Services. The Civilian Occupations Are Far Less Strict,
Therefore More Likely To Disobey Their Superiors, Instead Of Doing As They Should,
Someone Once Stated, But I Don't Recall Whom; "Our Military Is A Dictatorship Specifically Designed To Protect A Democracy"; ~ Do As You're Told ~ It's Not Optional.
"Responsibility"
Therefore More Likely To Disobey Their Superiors, Instead Of Doing As They Should,
Someone Once Stated, But I Don't Recall Whom; "Our Military Is A Dictatorship Specifically Designed To Protect A Democracy"; ~ Do As You're Told ~ It's Not Optional.
"Responsibility"
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I think part of what is causing it is seeing how little we do for our veterans after they are done serving. The transition process back into the civilian world sucks and there should be so much more done to help our veterans transition. Word of mouth is some of the best recruiting methods so if those that had served could tell others with excitement and enthusiasm how great it is and how well taken care of they were, maybe more people would want to join.
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SN Fae Kuhn
The other part of that is helping them to find gainful employment once they are discharged. More effort needs to be given during the transistion program to connect the transitioning military person to someone in the civilian world that can assist them with finding a job. I currently work as a Local Veteran Employment Rep for the state of PA and the biggest frustration I have is that I rarely see a transitioning veteran seek help from us and I know it's because most don't know we exist! It would not take much effort for this to be part of the transition program. To look up the information for the veteran rep in the area that the service member is transitioning to and either call or email that representative with the permission of the service member of course. I could go on and on about this, but it all comes down to the transition program is nothing more than a checked box...they really don't care what happens to that service member once they are out. And that is really sad! :(
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SN Fae Kuhn You obviously don't know anything about current transition requirements.
I wasn't allowed to "graduate" my transition classes without an "approved" resume and application to two civilian applications submitted.
There is, IMHO, TOO MUCH effort and focus on the transition. An ETSing Soldier can literally spend 6 months doing nothing but transitioning. That's 1/8 of their total contract. And considering they spent the first 1/8 just getting qualified to do their job, that's 1/4 of their contract where they are basically useless.
I wasn't allowed to "graduate" my transition classes without an "approved" resume and application to two civilian applications submitted.
There is, IMHO, TOO MUCH effort and focus on the transition. An ETSing Soldier can literally spend 6 months doing nothing but transitioning. That's 1/8 of their total contract. And considering they spent the first 1/8 just getting qualified to do their job, that's 1/4 of their contract where they are basically useless.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff I think 6 months is too much time for a few reasons.
First is no other job in America is going to pay you to quit and go work for someone else. Let alone pay you for 6 months AND train you for your new job.
Second, as I mentioned that is a large portion of the contract for a single term Soldier.
Third, we teach soldiers to adapt, improvise,and overcome. Which means they should be able to adapt to civilian life.
As far as recruiting goes, I would posit that no amount of TAP will make up for shitty leadership throughout the career. Conversely, no lack of TAP will override the positive experiences provided by outstanding leadership throughout the career.
I see this come up in many different contexts. BOSS, TAP, MWR, "fun runs," PX, etc. Senior leaders keep trying to find ways to improve Soldier experience - without ever once looking at their Command climate. All that other stuff is great. But only AFTER good leadership lays the foundation.
First is no other job in America is going to pay you to quit and go work for someone else. Let alone pay you for 6 months AND train you for your new job.
Second, as I mentioned that is a large portion of the contract for a single term Soldier.
Third, we teach soldiers to adapt, improvise,and overcome. Which means they should be able to adapt to civilian life.
As far as recruiting goes, I would posit that no amount of TAP will make up for shitty leadership throughout the career. Conversely, no lack of TAP will override the positive experiences provided by outstanding leadership throughout the career.
I see this come up in many different contexts. BOSS, TAP, MWR, "fun runs," PX, etc. Senior leaders keep trying to find ways to improve Soldier experience - without ever once looking at their Command climate. All that other stuff is great. But only AFTER good leadership lays the foundation.
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Amn Roger Omberg
I believe that the US congress could ease the pain of separation of all vets if only they would by law make it mandatory for all military personnel who have decided to end their enlistment early, who thru a government program, to look at all of the options available to each service member before they transition, so that each one of us, could fill confident that WE have made the best choice possible for ourselves, after all, it is up to each one of us.. I dont know anyone who mustered out of the military did so under the best of conditions for themselves., just saying.. TO me it was like being in overcrowded elevator, where U were breathing in everyone's exhaled air, then U reach YOUR floor, the door burst open & YOU ARE left there by yourself, all alone, then YOU really start to think, that maybe that wasn't the right thing for me to do now?
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A huge part of this issue is the access to all medical records requiring a significant portion of willing potential recruits to jump through hoops to get in.
More data should mean less risk. We should develop policies tat automatically waiver recruits under certain circumstances. Example: someone was prescribed behavioral medication as a child, in lieu of the current policy where they need a doctor to clear them, we should automatically waiver the condition if they haven't been prescribed the medication in a certain amount of time.
More data should mean less risk. We should develop policies tat automatically waiver recruits under certain circumstances. Example: someone was prescribed behavioral medication as a child, in lieu of the current policy where they need a doctor to clear them, we should automatically waiver the condition if they haven't been prescribed the medication in a certain amount of time.
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MSgt Jules K
LTC (Join to see) That's awful. Comprehensive, unified digital records on the ordinary citizen are a horror show. God help us.
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MSgt Jules K
SFC (Verify To See) That's actually my point. Now they *don't* have the option to say, not mention they saw a psychologist when they were 8 and mom and dad were fighting in court, and that they spent most of every hour playing with little figures in a sand box in a quiet, relaxing environment. Now, one must apparently divulge *everything* like some dystopian novel because the Masters (probably) know all already and one must not risk being 'caught lying'. God.
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MSgt Jules K
SFC (Verify To See) To put a finer point on it, a reasonable expectation of privacy and the consequent discretion of the individual on whether or not to divulge innocuous information that could nonetheless be used against oneself no longer exists. I am probably one of the few who could honestly say 'I never did any drugs, including weed' and I served a now dead country for 20 years. But you know what? Naive and sheltered as I was, even I understood *many* young people lied about that. Some worked out, and some didn't. There are certain 'lies' that the lying government practically demanded, even then.
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One of the biggest issues facing military recruiting today stems from implementation of the Genesis medical system. Genesis accesses not only military records, but all medical records across hospital and clinical databases, and often disqualifies promising young kids for reasons that would have disqualified most of the veterans here. Diagnosed for a year or two as having "childhood asthma" that resolved itself? Disqualified. A broken back or other serious childhood fracture that is completely healed? Disqualified. Depression counseling after your parents divorced as a kid? Often disqualified. It all shows up in Genesis. Too much information can be a curse.
We have enough problems with increases in childhood obesity in recruiting. Childhood obesity has tripled in the last three decades, with the percentage of obese youth in the USA at 17% or 1 out of 6 in 2022. The three leading reasons why young Americans are ineligible for military service are academic unpreparedness (no high school diploma or GED), a record of crime or drug abuse, and overweight. Claims of "wokeness" being a factor is just political posturing. It's statistics that affect every aspect of recruiting (age, medical, illegal drug use, criminal history, citizenship, education).
We have enough problems with increases in childhood obesity in recruiting. Childhood obesity has tripled in the last three decades, with the percentage of obese youth in the USA at 17% or 1 out of 6 in 2022. The three leading reasons why young Americans are ineligible for military service are academic unpreparedness (no high school diploma or GED), a record of crime or drug abuse, and overweight. Claims of "wokeness" being a factor is just political posturing. It's statistics that affect every aspect of recruiting (age, medical, illegal drug use, criminal history, citizenship, education).
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SSG Carlos Madden
"Diagnosed for a year or two as having "childhood asthma" that resolved itself? Disqualified." I've read about the Genesis medical system and I agree that it's implementation seems outrageous. I think I had a bad cold when I was a kid that never went away and the doctor gave me an inhaler to get through it - diagnosed with "Sports Induced Asthma." Cold cleared up and never had that issue again. Fast forward a decade or so later and 9 years of APFT's, and I never once failed to get a 300 on the 2-mile run. I can't imagine the other perfectly fit and willing young adults that are being DQ'ed because of this system.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
The comments you made Sir were issues before genesis and existed with AHLTA (what genesis replaced). My freshman in HS wants to do the academy and if he has a rough time when that first breakup with a girl happens or another failure I have to be very careful where and how he gets seen. This should not be the case for military dependents but it is.
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Gee this is easier than baking an apple pie. First thing is to stop using identity politics to target certain demographics whether by race or gender. The US Military IS NOT A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT nor is it the place for social justice crusades. The US Military exists for one reason and that is to defend the United States. The ability to defend this country is based on readiness and readiness doesn't recognize Race or gender. Stop trying to make the Military conform to individuals and start making individuals conform to the Military. If you are a biological man, you should be held to that account. If you are a biological woman, you should be held to that account. It does not matter to me what the pigmentation of your skin is if you or I are wounded Nor does it matter what your sexual preference is... It does matter to me if you are having a mental crisis on the battlefield. If I cant take seeing a male military officer running around in drag while on duty, imagine what are enemies think. We exude such a sense of weakness by exchanging the focus of military readiness to coddling the steady dismantling of our nations security. I said what I said and this should actually be a non partisan position.
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Stop trying tp be so "woke" and go back to the "Be all you can be" era. Create more "I do more before 9am than most people do all day" ads re-instill pride in service and pride in country.. Promote brotherhood and team building. Go back to teaching skills that will promote employability after service.
Just my humble opinion
Just my humble opinion
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