Posted on Jun 12, 2019
SPC(P) Medical Laboratory Specialist
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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Sgt Jude Eschete
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As a Marine Corps Veteran. Just go to PT and go back to sleep after. It's not that big of a deal.
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1LT Chemical, Biological, Radiological & Nuclear Officer
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Whatever hardship anyone has endured is irrelevant to meeting the standard of care... And no I'm not medical... Just don't want a tired technician same as in aviation
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1LT Chemical, Biological, Radiological & Nuclear Officer
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I love the stupidity of many posts here. The only thing that matters... Including for the commander is mission accomplishment. What is a medical units standards according to objective-T or whatever readiness standard is appropriate.

If you require odd hours pt... Have those on odd hours lead it... Any e5 can do this...

We have ridiculous cultural standards for following uniform or or regs but we break a shit load of other regs... And don't know it.
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SGT Unit Supply Specialist
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Are you the only one that has to go to the formation? I would say talk to other soldiers and NCOs and see if they have the same issue. Then use the open door policy with the 1SG or commander and address the issue. It’s always beneficial because you get a chance to see the other side of the mountain. As a junior enlisted, you don’t usually see how the command team made the decision and what their opinions are. Sometimes the command group means good but it goes bad when plans got put into practice. Last resort may be IG or EO. You are a warrior, if you can’t defend yourself how can you defend your country?
When I was junior enlisted, once I was put to a 18 hour shift every day in the field for 5 days. Everyone else was 12 hours on and 12 hours off. My NCO at the time just relayed the message to me- it was from a MSG. I felt it was really unfair but I still did it the first day. Next day I went to talk to the MSG. As a result both him and my NCO were mad at me. But nothing changed. I figured out I would have to endure this for a few more days. Can this be an IG complaint? Probably yes. Does it worth it? Everyone has a different answer. Remember, there are good times and bad times, but nothing lasts forever.
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LTC Immigration Judge
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Suck it up, the rest of do/did.
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PO1 Utilitiesman
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What you kneed to do is speak to you supervisor in the hospital and have them speak to the 1srg to adjust your schedule so you can PT at 1600 I am sure the hospital wont object if you have to PT than start your shift its a win win for all
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MAJ Neal O'Haire
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Hey I was with the 11th Cav in Germany as a 22 year old LT, I had to lead the 5 am PT daily, after many times closing the OClub at 1:00 AM, YOU CAN EITHER GO TO BED EARLIER OR GET UP AND QUIT WHINING! In the enlisted barracks lights out was at ten, sleep in your PT clothes and get up 6 1/2 hours later. If at you age 6 1/2 sleep doesn't do it, you might have chosen the wrong profession or branch of service!
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LTC P.A. Viersen
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Shift work is always tricky for a commander. You ARE stuck, as was I once, until I became an officer. Perhaps there can be an off shift PT period. Perhaps not. Perhaps you can sleep twice in a 16 hour period between shifts. The commander is on the hook to ensure PT is conducted by his/her unit. 1SG runs the company to fit the command guidance. IF the 1SG trusts you and your FLS - set up a 5 day per week PT plan and see how it goes, knowing that if ANYONE on your special PT shift fails the APFT or gets fat that you are all hosed and will have to suck up the initial policy that you are now trying to avoid.
Sleep/Rest plan is covered FM 6-22.5, however, that's for combat operations. ... Provide soldiers with a minimum of 4 hours of uninterrupted sleep in a 24 hour period (6-8 hours optimum).
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SPC Bill Schatzman
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welcome to the real world cupcake! I a seeing time management is not your thing! You need to adjust to the demands of the Officers and enlisted appointed over you. I is in the Oath you took. So, make it to formation, then take a nap. You will figure it out. Understand, if the Commanding Officer and his First Sargent give an order, it is your JOB to obey, not to question. There is nothing ILLEGAL about the order.
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SFC Terry Bryant
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Suck it up and go to PT. Look, what if you are in a combat zone, you are in a fire fight and you catch cat naps for a few minutes at a time for up to several days. You train as you fight Soldier, so quit whining and do your job. Sorry if that sounded harsh. No actually I am not.
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