Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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SGT Robert Martin
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For someone that doesn’t want to sound like your whining you seem to whine a lot. Time to put your big girl pt uniform on, and come to terms which the fact that you joined the Army. If this is your biggest concern about your time in the military I can assure you your very lucky.
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MSG O'Connor Pat
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If only 5 people showed up for PT, there are bigger leadership problems in your command than you getting 4-5 hours of sleep. Sure, you aren't in the infantry on continuous ops, but mission accomplishment in or out of the field doesn't work on the concept of fair. There is a reason why people say "Thank you for your service", because you are expected to serve and sacrifice for something bigger than yourself and not everyone can do that. Prioritize your time, focus on your mission and developing into a leader yourself; one day when someone thanks you for your service you will be proud that you met the challenge and know that those who haven't served have no idea what that service really means. You will get farther by being a professional soldier than by throwing out regulations about how you are being treated unfairly.
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Megan Pioch
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You're going to have to embrace the suck. Until you get promoted or until that that 1SG leaves, you have no choice. And PT is to ensure physical readiness in a world that that unfortunately hates the United States and American troops. Always remember that these exercises may save your life, or the lives of your Team one day. It's all to prepare you and to keep you alive. If, God forbid, something like Fort Hood ever happens again, you might be the person able to respond, and then you'll be thanking that 1SG for saving your life. Respectfully -
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PO2 Joseph Fast
PO2 Joseph Fast
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To put this into perspective for you. If she had a normal shift (she didn't), 1sgt was requiring her to wake up at 0000 to drive into work to PT at 0100, before she could drive home at 0230, before driving back into work at 0745. This would NOT increase her chances of stopping a shooter. It would leave her lethargic and make her less capable of responding quickly.
So NO, she wouldn't be thanking him for saving her life, she would be cursing him for making her too tired to escape and end up getting shot and possibly die.
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Sgt Scott Myers
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Well Spc. I’m sure anyone we may go to war with will allow you to get 8 hours of sleep. Get up shut up and PT. Then go clean up and go back and hit the rack. You will still get your sleep.
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SGT Alfred Cox
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Suck it up buttercup. You can sleep when your dead, or retired. Till then .... do P.T.
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LCDR George Goforth
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Just suck it up and do what you are told soldier and be thankful that a lot of others you are getting enough to eat. Many people in the military, far older and in lots of cases far more senior than you, routinely get far less sleep that your 4 to 5 hours. This is really not a hardship and with time and perseverance you will get use to it.
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SPC Jordan Hines
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You don’t need sleep brother, we’ll sleep when we die. Are Battles need you/us. It’s not about you brother it’s about your brother/sister to your left and right. Hooyah
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PO2 Joseph Fast
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She isn't your brother. That shows me you didn't read and you don't understand the problem which is why your comment is lacking in leadership "like the other 99% of people who didn't actually read it."
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1SG Brian Adams
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You probably will not find anything in and regs. Perhaps PT could commence at 1400 hrs rather than 1600 hrs. This way you would have time to shower up and get to your 1600-0000 shift and not have to worry about the o dark thirty PT formation. Talk to some of your platoon Sergeants and then run it up to the 1SG and commander. Normally common sense should prevail...if that does not work ( time adjustments) then you will just have to suck it up for a while like all good Soldiers do until you can change your schedule. Keep in mind, PT is critical in all outfits. Good luck. Hoooah!
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SFC James (Jim) R Brown
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You make the 0530 formation SPC. You suck it up. You can rest after the formation. The 1SGT should already made you aware of this. No excuse for you.
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SSG Bobby Richardson
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On the one hand I feel your pain, I worked 6 & 2 rotating shifts - days, swings, mids, 6 days on, 2 days off - for the better part of 7 years. On the other hand, not once in 11 years did I have an assignment where PT was *included* in my regular work shift. I suggest that if you *must* get 8 hours of sleep per day, that you do two 4 hour shifts before & after PT. We've all had to develop adaptive coping strategies when life presents us with hurdles.
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