Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
Responses: 1688
I would be upset about a 13 and a half hour shift. It will blow over best thing to do is go to PT and reach out to your first line NCO 1sgt probably has no idea your on shift for afternoon PT.
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Just do your job, Stud. When you question yourself, ask if there is anyone in your section going through the same shift(s) with the new PT (first) formation time.
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PO2 Joseph Fast
o.O She is a grown man? Holy fuck, this gender shit is really starting to confuse me. I thought XX / female anatomy was woman. Dude, this transgender shit is too hard to keep up with. I think I will keep calling her a female though. Enjoy your pronouns ma'am. It is ma'am to you right? If she is "man", I'm assuming you're "woman". Ahh forget it, I'll understand these weird pronoun games you progressives invent.
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Sgt John Merrick
All I see is a silhouette on the post, I can't tell if the person is male or female. So I guessed wrong. The point I made is the same, male or female makes no diff. I hope you get over your confusion.
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Embrace the suck that is the amount of sleep if we were lucky going through boot I am 52 and that is still the normal amount of sleep I get suck it up cupcake
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It has to be done. Your unit, to include You, must be Mission-Fit!! No Exceptions!!! So when times are permitting your 1SG will ensure his/her soldier's readiness at all times!! Otherwise he/she fails at their position as well as being an NCO!!
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Tuff ..... in warThere’s no substitute for victory. If you train hard you can live in combat.
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This is an easy problem to solve. Adjust your work/sleep schedule. Most people do not go to sleep right after work, so you can do the same only at different times of the day. Report to formation at 0530 then go to bed. That gives you plenty of time to sleep before reporting to work at 1600. If you need to do something during the day before work, you can get 7-8 hours sleep and still have a couple hours before work to take care of things. Problem solved.
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Just like anywhere else in the world you need to adjust your sleep schedule. If you work 1600-0000, adjust your sleep so that you wake up at 1400-1500. Enough time to shower, eat and be to work on time. And just like if you worked a day shift you'll be awake 4-6 hours after you get off. Do your PT, shower and go to sleep. Don't try to get some sleep and do PT and then sleep again.
This is why, when soldiers are on patrol and stop for some rest. The best watches are either the first one or the last one. That way you get the most uninterrupted sleep.
This is why, when soldiers are on patrol and stop for some rest. The best watches are either the first one or the last one. That way you get the most uninterrupted sleep.
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you would of never made it as a tank wrench in Germany. Gunnery? 72+ hr days. lucky to get 2 straight hours. Reforger? sleep HAHAHA. suck it up buttercup
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Well buttercup, I served as an MP. I’ve worked a rotating shift 06:00-14:00, 14:00-22:00, and 22:00-06:00. There are days that we would come off the night shift and have to report for the middle shift. We normally did PT before shift, get dismissed to shower and then report back for weapon draw and Guardmount inspection. Then head to the MP station for the shift briefing. So the normal days were 14+ hours. It’s the Army! We had to stay in shape and not for the APFT but for our lives. If you’re complaining about this? I think you’ve never deployed or done field exercises. Wait till you do! You hit the ground running till the mission is done. Then you’re able to get some rest! The army is not all about Garrison work in a hospital. Sometimes you have to roll up your sleeves suck it up and do what is needed on no sleep.
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Four hours rest. That was the number when I was in. Guard duty, two on, four off. Suck it up butter cup. Do the PT and go back to sleep. Quit your bitchen. You probably need the PT. It is good for you.
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Read some of the comments they make sense. The military isn’t a democracy, either get with the program or get out! Pretty simple. Especially with the virus thing civilians are looking for hospital workers as I speak
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“4-5 hours sleep.” Really? I would be on duty for 12 hours, then have CDO duty for 24 hours. And there were times I had to do PT in the middle of all that. It’s the military. If you want bankers hours, then perhaps you should change your career path.
If you know you have PT, go to bed earlier—if possible and I know that difficult with your shifts, but perhaps you don’t get out of bed until 30 minutes prior to your shift. That, way, you can get in a little extra sleep before your duty and add that to your sleep time prior to PT.
Either way, life isn’t fair and PT, regardless of how difficult it can be, is meant to keep you in peek physical condition. As a military man/woman, that should be something that you appreciate.
If you know you have PT, go to bed earlier—if possible and I know that difficult with your shifts, but perhaps you don’t get out of bed until 30 minutes prior to your shift. That, way, you can get in a little extra sleep before your duty and add that to your sleep time prior to PT.
Either way, life isn’t fair and PT, regardless of how difficult it can be, is meant to keep you in peek physical condition. As a military man/woman, that should be something that you appreciate.
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Ask your First Line to speak with the Hospital Administration to see if they are willing to adjust shifts to 1500-2300 - 2300-0700 - 0700-1500 OR 1700-0100 - 01-0900 - 09-1700 to accomodate the new CDR/1SG. That will increase crash time a bit OR allow you to attend the 1600 formation. On the other hand, the Hospital Administration - of which I'm sure has its own Commander and Chain of Command, which might include the CDR/1SG in it and speak with them because I'm confident you are probably not the only individual impacted by the TOPs formation policy. However, if none of the above occurs, then as the old saying goes - you SUCK IT UP.
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Run it up your chain of command that conducting PT 5 hours after then end of shift is not the best idea, you can accomplish the mission without inconveniencing the troops because believe it or not, troop welfare should absolutely be a priority but to be entirely honest most young members of the military get by without 8hrs regardless so you may have an issue convincing higher
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I worked in an Emergency room we had three shifts at one I worked you want to talk about being tired and going to PT? You would be on one shift for a couple of months and then rotate to another. PT was at 0530 First Shift started at 0800. Which gave you an hour and a half to drive to work get a shower and change. Second shift started at 1630 and ended at 2400. Third shift 2400 to 0800. We only had ONE PT Formation 0530. The night shift never made it to PT. If you had a Consistent Passing score on the PT test they didn't give you any grief. Sooner or later you would be rotated to first or second shift. I guess they figured the night shift was a chance to get some rest and do personal PT something you liked to do for about two months.
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I agree with the other comments being made. When you are deployed you won't have the luxury of telling the wounded hold on I need sleep. Their lives will depend on you just as your squad is depending on you in Garrison. If you can't be depended on then maybe you shouldn't be in the service.
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