Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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SPC John Coleman
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You’re a soldier 24 seven you do as you’re told. What did you expect from the military? Sounds like you want to be coddled. People like you want to change the military for your own benefit. That’s bullshit! I served in the infantry in the army and I did as I was told. Come on on For you need to grow a pair.
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SGT Bryan Lemmon
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During the first gulf war during the ground offensive we were lucky to get 2 hours of sleep that was including the medics in the track within our mech infantry company. No one said the military was easy and as other have said we have to sacrifice somethings know when to get to sleep when you get off work and save your free time for when you have days off.
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SFC Bobby Clark
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Quit whinnying, your in the Army
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I see this is still going. The number of people who topped out at E4 offering career advice is rather amusing *chuckles in senior NCO*
Maj John Bell
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You suggest to the lead SNCO or NCO on your shift, that your shift have its own PT session at 1430 1500 and that he or she work that out with the 1SG.

Just out of curiosity... How weak is the officer and SNCO leadership? I cannot fathom a officer, SNCO, or NCO believing a unit formation is "optional." I'm guessing your officers don't show up for unit PT. Someone needs to hand them their ass.
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SPC David Hannaman
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You're kidding, right? This is a joke post? Life is about being tired but saddling up and doing what needs to be done anyway. Even as a civilian, you'll run into days where you couldn't get to sleep the night before (for a year if you have a kid) you still have to drag your ass out of bed and get to it anyway.

You're in the military, learning to function on little to no sleep is part of the job description. It's not always smart (I remember working on aircraft with little to no sleep) but sometimes it's just gotta be done.
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CPT Giacomo M.
Are you fucking kidding me? It isn't right? You are a whining pussey. Get you shit together and grow a pair.
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CPL Mark Garrigus
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Go to PT and quit whining!
I never sleep more than 6 hours a night. I get up and go to work for 10 hours then home for 3 or 4 hours more work around the house the give the wife a pickle tickle and go to bed.
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SSG Dale London
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I don't want to sound unsympathetic but I served 16 years -- 13 of which as a shift worker. Sometimes working 8 hour shifts -- others working 12 hours, and in the field often going for more than 24 hours without sleep.
Doing PT is not a problem to be solved. It is part of your job... your duty. If you think you have it rough just talk to a deployed sailor at sea who never gets more than a solid 3 1/2 hours in his rack at a shot.
How do you solve this problem? You catch a few extra winks when you can. You get up, show up for duty (and PT) and take whatever time your command gives you to catch your rest.
But the complaint, "I only slept 4 hours..." will not hold any water.
I have felt your pain myself and can tell you without fear of contradiction that this is one of the suckier elements of the army. But it is also universal. We all have had periods (even extended periods) of time when nothing was convenient.
I have one constructive comment for you though: if you are part of a significant number of people who all are working the same shift as you, you might be able to convince your 1SG to let you all do PT together at a more appropriate time. I don't see him letting you do it on your own if your CO wants everyone in organised PT.
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PO2 Joan Feledy
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Prior to even being in the military, I got 2-4 hours of sleep a night before starting a new day and going on with work and then more going out. In your 20-30's you should be able to effectively work on 4-5 hours of sleep. After I got in, in my 30's and on a ship, I could be up for easily 18-22 hour days depending on when watches fell during the workday. If you are having such a hard time, you really might want to look into getting into another line of work. Sorry no sympathy here, the military is not what you should have chosen if sleep was a priority.
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