Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
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Yall should be having formation around 0900, jus those that got off at midnight, anytime we worked past 9pm we didnt have to go to first formation
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GO THROUGH YOUR CHAIN TO DO THIS...Suggest that your section have PT Formation at 1300 and that they shift start times of shifts to account for PT and Meals.
IF this does not work, Request a transfer to a Line Infantry Battalion as a Medic and wait till you are a Senior Leader and remember what kind of people you had to deal with. Remember every Soldier is you teacher in that you learn what to do or what not to do from them.
IF this does not work, Request a transfer to a Line Infantry Battalion as a Medic and wait till you are a Senior Leader and remember what kind of people you had to deal with. Remember every Soldier is you teacher in that you learn what to do or what not to do from them.
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Unfortunately, Leaders who only work Mon-Fri forget about shift workers who keep their command running. I experienced the same thing. Our Commanding Officer cared so little about shift workers they forced people to go to the weekly Wednesday morning Mandatory Command PT When concerns were raised, the only thing they said is that it is only 1 day a week. When it was pointed out that we had some people who were working over 60 hours a week and expected to go to pt after working an overnight 12 hour shift compared to the day workers working less than 35 hours a week, it was ignored. I was one of those shift workers. I lived on a base 15 miles away along with several other shift workers and we said we would go to the gym there and video our workouts which would save us 3 hours on our days off but that too was ignored. It got so bad that we had a pregnant shift worker fall asleep and rear end a car while driving home after working a shift and then going to Wednesday mando pt. Even that didn't wake them up.
My only advise is to try and talk to your command enlisted advisors and document everything with facts. If the command doesn't come to a responsible conclusion then take your documentation outside the command. I hope it doesn't come to that because it is usually bad for everybody. I only wish I documented what happened at our command more.
My only advise is to try and talk to your command enlisted advisors and document everything with facts. If the command doesn't come to a responsible conclusion then take your documentation outside the command. I hope it doesn't come to that because it is usually bad for everybody. I only wish I documented what happened at our command more.
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you will do pt as part of your job in the military. there was the time I got off arm guard duty as I walk in the door pt Alanzo all I sad yes cast or yes sit. or unless you been told other way from the top
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First in for most you go to PT. The world is not fair. In the army doesn't claim to be fair. Afterwords, I repeat afterwards, You go to your first sergeant, And explain the problem. You respectfully put forth your opinion. And I hope he respectfully listens to you. After he is going send, You follow the rules.
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I work in the hospital too. This is very normal. Just take a nap in the afternoon. Most likely after a while they will change PT only mandatery if you failed PT test.
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Seabee Veteran here. At our morning muster, the whole Battalion was there, all 623 of us, even our MCPOC (E9). I don't know what the medical did to cover their posts during this time but everyone except the CO and XO was there and taking part...
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There times I be clubbing into the we hours and still make PT, sometimes still lite. Show up to PT do the PT, and show that badass. Command will see this and make adjustment for the hours you are on duty.
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I was enlisted and officer, I agree with the person who said you have time management problems. On the days you know you have PT you need to sleep before you go to work if 4-5 hours after a shift don't work for you.
THERE ARE NO REGULATIONS STATING you need to sleep before PT.
Agree with when you are deployed you will need get adjusted to getting sleep when you can.
Good luck to you. Thank you for your service and sleep before work.
THERE ARE NO REGULATIONS STATING you need to sleep before PT.
Agree with when you are deployed you will need get adjusted to getting sleep when you can.
Good luck to you. Thank you for your service and sleep before work.
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Take it up the CoC. Explain your current working hours and ask if it is possible to PT at 12 noon.
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You’re a soldier 24 seven you do as you’re told. What did you expect from the military? Sounds like you want to be coddled. People like you want to change the military for your own benefit. That’s bullshit! I served in the infantry in the army and I did as I was told. Come on on For you need to grow a pair.
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During the first gulf war during the ground offensive we were lucky to get 2 hours of sleep that was including the medics in the track within our mech infantry company. No one said the military was easy and as other have said we have to sacrifice somethings know when to get to sleep when you get off work and save your free time for when you have days off.
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I see this is still going. The number of people who topped out at E4 offering career advice is rather amusing *chuckles in senior NCO*
You suggest to the lead SNCO or NCO on your shift, that your shift have its own PT session at 1430 1500 and that he or she work that out with the 1SG.
Just out of curiosity... How weak is the officer and SNCO leadership? I cannot fathom a officer, SNCO, or NCO believing a unit formation is "optional." I'm guessing your officers don't show up for unit PT. Someone needs to hand them their ass.
Just out of curiosity... How weak is the officer and SNCO leadership? I cannot fathom a officer, SNCO, or NCO believing a unit formation is "optional." I'm guessing your officers don't show up for unit PT. Someone needs to hand them their ass.
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You're kidding, right? This is a joke post? Life is about being tired but saddling up and doing what needs to be done anyway. Even as a civilian, you'll run into days where you couldn't get to sleep the night before (for a year if you have a kid) you still have to drag your ass out of bed and get to it anyway.
You're in the military, learning to function on little to no sleep is part of the job description. It's not always smart (I remember working on aircraft with little to no sleep) but sometimes it's just gotta be done.
You're in the military, learning to function on little to no sleep is part of the job description. It's not always smart (I remember working on aircraft with little to no sleep) but sometimes it's just gotta be done.
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Are you fucking kidding me? It isn't right? You are a whining pussey. Get you shit together and grow a pair.
Are you fucking kidding me? It isn't right? You are a whining pussey. Get you shit together and grow a pair.
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Go to PT and quit whining!
I never sleep more than 6 hours a night. I get up and go to work for 10 hours then home for 3 or 4 hours more work around the house the give the wife a pickle tickle and go to bed.
I never sleep more than 6 hours a night. I get up and go to work for 10 hours then home for 3 or 4 hours more work around the house the give the wife a pickle tickle and go to bed.
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I don't want to sound unsympathetic but I served 16 years -- 13 of which as a shift worker. Sometimes working 8 hour shifts -- others working 12 hours, and in the field often going for more than 24 hours without sleep.
Doing PT is not a problem to be solved. It is part of your job... your duty. If you think you have it rough just talk to a deployed sailor at sea who never gets more than a solid 3 1/2 hours in his rack at a shot.
How do you solve this problem? You catch a few extra winks when you can. You get up, show up for duty (and PT) and take whatever time your command gives you to catch your rest.
But the complaint, "I only slept 4 hours..." will not hold any water.
I have felt your pain myself and can tell you without fear of contradiction that this is one of the suckier elements of the army. But it is also universal. We all have had periods (even extended periods) of time when nothing was convenient.
I have one constructive comment for you though: if you are part of a significant number of people who all are working the same shift as you, you might be able to convince your 1SG to let you all do PT together at a more appropriate time. I don't see him letting you do it on your own if your CO wants everyone in organised PT.
Doing PT is not a problem to be solved. It is part of your job... your duty. If you think you have it rough just talk to a deployed sailor at sea who never gets more than a solid 3 1/2 hours in his rack at a shot.
How do you solve this problem? You catch a few extra winks when you can. You get up, show up for duty (and PT) and take whatever time your command gives you to catch your rest.
But the complaint, "I only slept 4 hours..." will not hold any water.
I have felt your pain myself and can tell you without fear of contradiction that this is one of the suckier elements of the army. But it is also universal. We all have had periods (even extended periods) of time when nothing was convenient.
I have one constructive comment for you though: if you are part of a significant number of people who all are working the same shift as you, you might be able to convince your 1SG to let you all do PT together at a more appropriate time. I don't see him letting you do it on your own if your CO wants everyone in organised PT.
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Prior to even being in the military, I got 2-4 hours of sleep a night before starting a new day and going on with work and then more going out. In your 20-30's you should be able to effectively work on 4-5 hours of sleep. After I got in, in my 30's and on a ship, I could be up for easily 18-22 hour days depending on when watches fell during the workday. If you are having such a hard time, you really might want to look into getting into another line of work. Sorry no sympathy here, the military is not what you should have chosen if sleep was a priority.
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