Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
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Stop being a whiny little girl and do the PT without bitching. It’s good for you to learn to “Embrace the Suck”!!!
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Seriously!? A soldier is a soldier 24/7. Suck it up or get out. Then you can sleep all day long w/o worrying about a thing.
You are a hot mess, my friend. Good luck with your endeavor.
You are a hot mess, my friend. Good luck with your endeavor.
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If you can't PT after 4-5 hours of sleep, the military is definitely not for you!
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Having been in the medical side (91B, 91C, 91A, 91W) forever, the only groups excluded from morning PT were those that worked the actual night shift...getting off after 0700 hrs. Unfortunately, it's part of life (less sleep than we want)...whether military or civilian. I know most everyone have said it, but suck it up and push forward. I did catch that you are a E4(P)...you need to set the example. When/if you get to combat...you will NOT be sleeping as much as you do now. BUT, maybe make a suggestion for alternate PT times and even offer to lead it.
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You suck it up and drive on, you signed up for the U.S. Army not the Salvation Army. If you have work schedule conflicts, then you might have to do PT on your own, just make sure you can pass the PT when it comes due.
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If you don't get off work until midnight, a 0530 formation seems unreasonable, and a 1600 formation will likely make you late for shift. Talk to your hospital supervisor. Your first NCO in your chain of equal or higher rank than your 1SG, or an officer (nurse, Dr, administrator) equal or higher than your unit commander. Ask for a "report to the 1SG time" somewhere between 0900 and 1500. Earlier would be better because you could "sweeten the pot" with an offer to assist with
those ash-and-trash details that didn't get done early in the day.
those ash-and-trash details that didn't get done early in the day.
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First, follow orders.
Second, make a suggestion that your section do PT at a reasonable time (perhaps 1400 hrs, since you have to do at least 1 hour of PT and then shower and get to work by 1600). Your section SGT should be leading this. And be sure that the 1SG will be checking in on the section from time to time. It could help if the section SGT submitted a monthly PT plan/schedule that showed he/she knew what to do to keep the section physically fit.
Third, offer to lead section PT once a week- that will grow your leadership skills and get you out front doing something good. There are a ton of activities and exercises you can do to make this challenging, interesting, and productive. While Friday is usually a 5 mile run, Monday or Wednesday could be 30 mins of yoga and 30 mins of calisthenics (with music!).
Fourth, score 300 on the APFT. Do this while your young (it's easier). But this will also make your section look good at the company training meetings, and your company look good at battalion training meetings.
Fifth, initiative is always part of the solution.
Hope this helps.
MSG Carter
Second, make a suggestion that your section do PT at a reasonable time (perhaps 1400 hrs, since you have to do at least 1 hour of PT and then shower and get to work by 1600). Your section SGT should be leading this. And be sure that the 1SG will be checking in on the section from time to time. It could help if the section SGT submitted a monthly PT plan/schedule that showed he/she knew what to do to keep the section physically fit.
Third, offer to lead section PT once a week- that will grow your leadership skills and get you out front doing something good. There are a ton of activities and exercises you can do to make this challenging, interesting, and productive. While Friday is usually a 5 mile run, Monday or Wednesday could be 30 mins of yoga and 30 mins of calisthenics (with music!).
Fourth, score 300 on the APFT. Do this while your young (it's easier). But this will also make your section look good at the company training meetings, and your company look good at battalion training meetings.
Fifth, initiative is always part of the solution.
Hope this helps.
MSG Carter
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I’ve never heard of anybody not showing up to PT formation because they were “tired” without getting severe corporal punishment, and maybe even a company grade Article 15. Especially as junior enlisted. But, I was 11B back in the early 90s, and that was how it went in pretty much every infantry unit in those days, I would guess.
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First of all, shut up! When you finish whining, shut up again! If you can accomplish that without whining about union rules or some other bullshit. Get up off your lazy and do exactly as your superiors have instructed you to do.
It ain’t Burger King and you don’t get it your way.
I sure hope this helps!!
You’re welcome!
Cheers,
It ain’t Burger King and you don’t get it your way.
I sure hope this helps!!
You’re welcome!
Cheers,
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LTC George Morgan
You're a soldier now, so Man-up. Don't tell me I don't understand the Medical Life, I was an Operating Room Supervisor for 42 years out of a 48 year career and never missed a PT requirement!
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