Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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GySgt Marc Dickerson
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Go to PT at 0530. Then go back to bed. Unit formations, PT, training, etc... always have to be worked out with shift workers. But sometimes we just have to suck it up. Use the chain of command procedures if you feel something is wrong. As my favorite E3 used to say... "Yes, this is why we get paid the big bucks."
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PO1 Tom Follis
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I agree with you and your situation. However, you wouldn’t last a month in the Navy.
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PO3 Nate Buck
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This has to be a troll post.
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CMSgt Vince Mee
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ask for a periotical PT test to show you are keeping up your physical fitness and staying within weaght guidelines
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SGM Thomas Adderley
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Quit your whining and get your butt to the PT Formation. Talk with your Leader and ask him/her to take up the issue, but until it is resolved make the formations and do your duty. If you do not like it look for a transfer.
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SSG Russell Busicchia
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You are whining; you can sleep after PT. However, you can request through the chain-of-command that a third time be established, or if you could do the 1600 formation.
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SGT Information Technology Specialist
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No walking on Ardennes...
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Sgt Stephen Brown
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OMG cupcake. You’re in the military. You better realize and understand what is expected of you. Hurry up and wait, do this do that right now etc. Y don’t work 9 to 5 and if you are deployed any schedule you may have had is out the window. You do the very best you can all the time even if you’re sleeping. It’s not about you and your comfort. It is about everyone you stand beside and come in contact with. If you are unable to do that you need to work at Micky D’s .
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PO1 Charles Coffee
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Just go to PT. It's easier than the future hell that will rain on you! Then you can go back to bed.
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SGT Ivan Igitol
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I guess your higher ups is trying to put a statement across about PT. Since they are new to your company, they might be trying to establish themselves. Don't get me wrong, too much sleep and no PT equals to laziness and lack stamina. You're lucky you have that much time to sleep. You'll be surprised how much criticism you'll get by asking this question especially you being in the Army. All I'll say is, "Embrace The Suck and Drive On"! I will not dog you on this even though I'm Old School Army where PT is life but you got me chuckling when you asked the question.
Talk to your section Sergeant to relay to higher ups if your section can do PT like noon time. Good luck.
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SGT Gary Tob
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Oh my God! I can't believe this. Grow up if you're in the Army. I think you wouldn't make the grade in either the " Black Boot" Army, and especially the older "Brown Boot" Army. Be a soldier and suck it up!! Make sure you boots are spit shined, and gig line is straight for starters
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SGT James Tyo
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Oh Brother! Really? you get your PT uniform and get into formation.
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PO1 Don Rowan
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Do it.
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SGT Adam Wolf
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I solved issues like this with my honorable discharge. Until I got that I just sucked it up.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Ask that there be a 1500 PT since your shift begins at 1600. I would bet the ISGT and COmmander were not thinking of the Split Shifts when the times were announced. I used to work Split Shifts and got screwed a lot until I realized my Seniors were all Day Workers and did not realize that Shift workers were getting screwed a lot of the time. Make your case and see what happens. Be professional and don't WINE like this!
Sometime DAY Shifts Screw the Night shifts without thinking!
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PO1 Michael Withrow
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4 to 5 hours of sleep is normal sleep hours at sea... not sure why you think it's a problem.
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CPT Barry Naum
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You know how you solve this problem? You go to PT.

"This one time in combat ..." I made my troops conduct an early morning operation in response to enemy activity after none of us had slept for 2 days. It sucked, but you suck it up. Only the living are able to do that.
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CMSgt John Owens
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I'm a retired Air Force member, so don't hate..I see you have at least 2 options. One is stay awake till PT, then come in from PT and go to sleep. 2. take a nap from time you get home after shift, then go to PT, after PT go to sleep till you have to get up for work.. I was in several RPA squadrons, which were 24/7 units, so I know the pain in the ass it can be doing shift work. I really don't understand the 8 hr shifts.. Even the AF had 12 hr shift, for ER, and Hospital side.. Now we did have some day walkers working only 8 hr shifts, they worked Mon- Friday.. I will just about bet you are working 5 days a week on your 8 hr shift, I would much rather work 12 hr shifts and work less days. Are you switching shifts or Hard scheduled shifts, ie do you work 6 weeks of days, 6 weeks second shift and then 6 weeks of nights? Is everyone on all shifts passing PT? Got to look at the other side of the coin, probably having issues, with your shift, or having issues with all the shifts.. I hate the mentality of punish everyone for one or two people making mistakes, but that also happens.
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SPC Ryan Shaul
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The Army is only required to give you 4 hours of sleep, and that doesn't even have to be 4 consecutive hours. You may not want to sound like you're whining...but you're whining.
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