Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
Responses: 1688
Unit PT for hospital personnel was always a problem. A chunk of your staff work during the night and just can't PT @ 0530 as they are still on duty. I was ordered to set up a Departmental PT and ended up have two PT shifts, two days a week for the 0600 and 1600 PTs. I received permission to cancel as we had too much work to do, work which affects patient care trumps PT.
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Retired Navy Chief here. I don’t want to sound like some of the old-timers here and tell you to suck it up and that I had to work 25 hours a day, eight days a week for 32 days a month my whole 20 years in the Navy. I will tell you however, when I was in submarines sometimes we were loading nuclear ballistic missiles after 30 hours of working straight getting everything ready. And we had to stand guard nuclear weapons security guard duty topside with shotguns sometimes under 90F, 100% humidity, or freezing rain without head or chow breaks for hours because we didn’t have enough people to relieve us. Nuclear. Weapons. But nobody required us to do PT after working 14-18 hour days for 3 weeks straight, thank God. But I digress. Maybe your unit CO can ask for independent PT for unit members on a trust basis. I understand that PT is the religious ceremony equivalent for the Army and that it brings about unit cohesion and preparedness. But the rigid and close-minded mentality without allowing any exceptions for essential personnel that are fighting a different war -as in your case- is something that I never understood from the Army. Hopefully it will not take a major medical mishap or accident, I got for a bit what are you doing guys getting infected and dying from CovidFor your leader ship to realize The need for flexibility. Good luck!
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Sleep whenever you can eat whenever you can. If you choose to stay out all night and expect a break when it's time for PT you're delusional, it won't happen. Four or five hours of sleep should be more than enough to do what needs to be done, stop the sniveling.
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We don't want pussy troops like you suck it baby- there's very little sleep in combat buttercup.
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Are your shifts not on a rotation? Meaning that for a week or two you're 1600 - 0000, then 0000 - 0800 followed by 0800-1600? If not, someone isn't running their unit properly. One thing is for sure, though...the Harmony Church Soldier is gone forever. Sad, really sad.
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I will only say this. I was in a Special Forces Training unit and you got what sleep you could, when you could anywhere you could. Then I deployed to Viet Nam with 101st Airborne divisions in a recon unit. We probably had 3-5 hours in a 24 hour day for days on end. The best thing you can do is to tough it out and then get out. I would not say a word about this.
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I think Command policies mostly are legitimate to prepare soldiers for War. "Hazing" however, is different where your squad or platoon is just messing with your mind with a traditional practice for fun sake.
Servicemembers prepare for WAR and must adhere to Command policies that mirror War preparation.
The Armed Forces isn't the YMCA or Boy Scouts.
Servicemembers prepare for WAR and must adhere to Command policies that mirror War preparation.
The Armed Forces isn't the YMCA or Boy Scouts.
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You show up and do your best. If anyone comments you let them know you're doing the best you can on the amount of sleep you're getting. They can't fault you for that. However, you can certainly get in a world of trouble if you don't show up.
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