Posted on Jun 12, 2019
SPC(P) Medical Laboratory Specialist
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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CSM David Litteral
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SPC(P), Most of the responses you are going to read have been written by folks in traditional field units. Good answers but not relevant to MEDDAC. As a former MEDDAC CSM, I will tell you it's a different world. Let's look at this from the perspective that NCOs are entrusted with the health and welfare of their soldiers. They are also responsible to accomplish the mission. Your physical fitness is part of the mission. However, so is safety. Let's consider what would happen if we required a soldier to operate a vehicle with insufficient rest and they crash it. A 15-6 investigation would look for contributing factors which lack of rest would likely be one of them. So, a soldier who works an 8-hour shift, gets 5 hours of sleep and drives to PT has a car wreck on the way there or back to his or her quarters, the cause of the accident would be just as attributable to lack of rest. Who is responsible? The First Sergeant. In a MEDDAC, the First Sergeant must have a PT schedule for soldiers on every shift. The Command Sergeant Major should ensure the First Sergeant is doing his job, correctly.
You have several options. One is to request to see your NCOIC and then the First Sergeant. If the First Sergeant doesn't fix this, then the next step is the Command Sergeant Major. If those individuals don't understand the importance of safety, you can contact the installation IG and ask them if you are entitled to 8-hours of uninterrupted rest between shifts. You are a SPC(P) so this is a good developmental learning experience for you.
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PO1 Don Uhrig
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I agree with other about time management on the part of the member posing the question. I would also add: You have identified what you believe to be a "problem" because the PT sessions apparently aren't convenient for "your" life. Then you are expecting others (this forum being a group of others) to come up with a solution including possible regs. How about proposing your own solution, making a proposal, and getting credit for initiative instead of being a whiner. I have a proposal in mind, but giving it away would be robbing you of your own personal growth and journey toward potential leadership. When you reach those positions to be of influence to your subordinates you will have this experience to reflect on and perhaps solutions to delimas similar to this.
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MSgt Gary Petersen
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You are whining. Get up, or, shower and go back to bed. Nothing compared to the old days.
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SGT Air Defense Radar Repairer
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You go to PT.
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MSG Dale Fairbanks
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Do the people in the morning and then go back to bed, or talk to your shift supervisor about adjusting your schedule.
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MSgt Allen Chandler
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I don’t see the problem you go to PT can you do the damn best you can. If you don’t pass I don’t do well enough to satisfy the instructor then you have a discussion about why you did so poorly.
Commanders also have to make a choice between two different things how important is it for you to get a good nights rest and how important is it to get this PT thing out-of-the-way. I’m not claiming that all commanders make the right decision I’m just saying that as an enlisted man your job is to be the order unless there’s a serious legal or more reason not to.
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SFC Roland Blair
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You are a United States Military person deal with it. when you are in combat you wont get sleep
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SSG Michael Struppa
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Take naps when you can, reduce caffeine intake close to end of shift. Stay away from computer screens, tablets, video games etc close to end of your shift. When you are in bed, your bed if for sleeping; not checking phone, not watching tv. Go to bed after PT. If you have dreams of firefighting or nursing after your career, get used to sleep deprivation. 24 hour shifts with 2 hours sleep if it's a busy shift. Midnight to 515 is more than enough time to get some rest, go to pt and the sleep afterwards. Late shifts suck, but it's doable.
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SPC Paul Hayward
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you can get 4 hours sleep, do your pt, then get the rest of your sleep after pt
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PO1 Timothy Strunk
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WOW, if you only realize how sad you sound. YES, you are whining.
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LTC Michael Baumann
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Seriously?
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SP5 Charles McCoy Hassell
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Let me help you with this problem. Be in formation at 0530, and do the PT. You signed up for this. You asked if there is any regulation, yes there is, It's called Your Company Commander, he gave a direct order. I hope this solves your problem. If not you need more help than I can give you, now stop whining do Pt or turn in your strips and go back to you moma.
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COL Chief, Observer Trainer Coach Team
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I'm with SFC Michael Davila on this one. Adjust your activities so you can do your job. Your job is being a Soldier. God knows we need you. Being tough isn't always tough, but it will certainly be tough sometimes. A lot tougher than going out to do something that is healthy, and good, for your mind and body, like PT, with all your buddies suffering alongside you. Believe me, when you look back at your life, those are the times you're going to miss.

Entered 1975, Retired 2020.
E1 to E6, then O1 to O6.
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CPL Christopher Thomas
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When did privates have a say so. If Top is saying PT is at 0430, then it's 0430. If you don't the Fuq up, you get smoked. Do you want a time out when you are forced to go on a 2-mile forced march? LMAO
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CPT Troy Albuck
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I see answers here that range from "suck it up" to "only to appease the 1SG" but perhaps there is another approach. Use the 5th Principle of Patrolling-- Common Sense. Familiarize yourself with the Army Performance Triad and the relevant regulations of crew rest. Those guidelines and regulations exist for purpose. You will find in there very good reasons for a balanced approach to conditioning for combat and troops to task methodology for round the clock operations, even in a garrison environment. I have been at this 40 years or so and spent many, many years in combat in several different wars, this is a garrison scheduling issue that should be the bread and butter of NCO business. Be STRAC and professional, but also strive for balance. Rangers Lead the Way!
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SGT Harry C Miller Jr
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Simple, you get your as- up and go to P.T. !! And, you are whining !!
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CPL Richard Hughes
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Junior enlisted under a new command structure... ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! Get your squared away self to one or the other of those PT formations. The only problem you seem to have. Is the motivation to overcome. Your really non relevant self assigned problem.
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SGT Ricky Young
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One question do you not like pt? 1SG is correct telling you you need to do PT. I agree that if you can't handle PT on 4 hours sleep. You have diffidently chose the wrong carrer.
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SGT Loren Baker
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Show up when you are told to. You joined the military voluntarily. You had a choice before you signed the contract. If you don't like it, then don't re-enlist.
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