Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
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I think a good NCO would take this up with 1SG. I always wanted my personnel to be at top performance. In a hospital that is most expected. However, not the same for my Infantrymen.
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read the opinions 1st to get in the army or any branch of the military you have to pass the pt test period in your contract you signed it said you must maintain it as we get older the pt test change but you still have to pass the pt test or get an unsat discharge if they call a pt formation & you don't show then you are AWOL so shut up suck it up and do your pt
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Aboard ship at times, getting 4 to 5 hours would have been luxurious. But you realize the vessel never sleeps. You are part of that machine.
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Dude, you really shouldn't be in the military then. Lack of sleep, kind of defines the military.
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SOLDIER FIRST , Job second. combat zone is different. (PERIOD) Go do PT per army regulations and Your assigned Command. Be late at the Job for following the orders of those appointed over you. (remember that part of the oath you took) The situation WILL fix itself as it is the Leadership responsibility to attend to the scheduling of work shifts, NOT the Jr enlisted. FOLLOW THE ORDER! Soldiers , soldier, Commanders, Command. but it takes a leadership TEAM to make it work. Let the leadership Know of the issue , follow the order, and watch what will happen. I GUARANTEE IT!
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Do they still issue T.S. cards these days? Anyway, I'd suggest that you get your 4 hours, then PT, then take a nap before going back into work.
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First of all you are whining. Second of all you don’t “bring it up”. Buck up buttercup! This is your military life. Your not an accountant at some firm. You do what your told when your told in ANY conditions. If you are in a life or death situation you have to automatically do what you are told, no questions. I agree if PT at an inconvenient time for you is hard then find another career.
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In Vietnam, I never slept more than two hours at a time and usually only four hours per night; if lucky, I might get six. I was there for 32 months, and no more than eight months over that time did I ever get six to eight hours per night when in the rear or when I worked in a bunker for six months. Some Navy coremen with us got less.
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I read in your rant about only getting 4.5 hrs. of sleep before PT but you never addressed all of the time between PT hrs. and work call. As SGT Anonymous showed, there is plenty of sleep time between PT and work call, also between end of shift and PT formation.
To address the inconvenience of the PT formation conflicting with a solid work/sleep cycle, the argument could be made that Hospital shifts could adjust by a couple hrs to accommodate the existing PT parameters or perhaps exempting that your shift crew do PT as the work schedule allows.
There are many options you can chose from on how to handle it. The most important things I can say here are:
1- Comply with the formation times.
2- Address the situation with your squad leader AND platoon sergeant.
3- Be ready to accept “Shut up and color.” As the answer. By the regs you’re being afforded adequate sleep time, just not all at once.
To address the inconvenience of the PT formation conflicting with a solid work/sleep cycle, the argument could be made that Hospital shifts could adjust by a couple hrs to accommodate the existing PT parameters or perhaps exempting that your shift crew do PT as the work schedule allows.
There are many options you can chose from on how to handle it. The most important things I can say here are:
1- Comply with the formation times.
2- Address the situation with your squad leader AND platoon sergeant.
3- Be ready to accept “Shut up and color.” As the answer. By the regs you’re being afforded adequate sleep time, just not all at once.
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You better grow a backbone and get use to it. Four to five hours of sleep? Develop better time management skills or something but either way. If you can’t function on four to five hours of sleep, you definitely made a bad career choice.
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I see it this way. You joined up. You chose to go out and maybe party. You were told by your 1st Sgt to show for early morning PT. Since you're on the night shift, what better way to end you shift than by a little PT. Wanting to know if there is some regulation that will get you out early morning PT is lame.
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You don't want to sound like you are whining? Then quit your damn whining. Your only option if you think your life is tough?
Don't re-enlist. Until then you are sol.
Don't re-enlist. Until then you are sol.
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I worked shift work as well. We had PT right after shift at some duty stations, or around 0900 for midnight. Get with your platoon leadership and see what can be done.
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I have read some off the wall BS in my 70 years. This is right up there with the best..Listen the these active duty people. Me, hell I retired 35 years ago. What do I know..
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Go to PT. You are not a victim. Many a day I worked 12 hour shifts as an MP and had to do PT after shift.
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Man up. You didn’t sign up for a 9-5 job. Start leading, yes even junior enlisted.
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