Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
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I’ve read a lot of answers here that say “suck it up.” Those are the wrong answers. The negative effect of sleep deprivation on human performance is well documented. It results in airplane crashes, Ship crashes, car accidents, etc. It’s simply not a thing you can “train for” by doing repeatedly. Our term in the Marine Corps was “training to bleed.” There’s no training or readiness benefit by asking soldiers to tolerate interrupted and abnormal sleep patterns. In an aviation unit, it wouldn’t be tolerated by anyone with flight duties.
I would personally want and extra extra sustained high performance from soldiers in a medical unit and I wouldn’t get it by depriving them of restful sleep. When we deploy, of course, things are still French different, but our junior members always step up and get the job done. Take it up the chain and see if you can get the policy adjusted so that you get your PT AND your rest.
I would personally want and extra extra sustained high performance from soldiers in a medical unit and I wouldn’t get it by depriving them of restful sleep. When we deploy, of course, things are still French different, but our junior members always step up and get the job done. Take it up the chain and see if you can get the policy adjusted so that you get your PT AND your rest.
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This is difficult to offer advice on. I have been deployed to a combat zone and for 11 months never really had a night of sleep, You sleep when you can. On the other side safe and secure on an American military base this makes no sense to me. Now if the lack of sleep is due to club hopping shame on you. But if you were on duty, then this is nuts.
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Is the HQ company separate from the Hospital operation? I assume you're in a Headquarters & Headquarters Company so even the HOSPITAL COMMANDER and all the doctors NOT working are making the PT, right - because ALL PERSONNEL irrespective of RANK are assigned to the HQ Company, so it only stands to reason the FSG's POLICY requires EVERYONE to make one of his sessions and if they're not, then you have an issue. Regardless, if you feel strongly about your issue, the challenge is to get your issue before the HQ Company Commander so they may have the opportunity to make a decision regarding the FSG's policy. Meanwhile I would also present my issue to my HOSPITAL chain of command starting with my immediate supervisor. I would put my issue with supporting FACTS and assumptions together and I certainly wouldn't be emotional about it.
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I would find out how many personnel have the 1600-0000 shift and have a PT schedule of accommodate their work schedule.
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It seems like an odd decision from your command. I was never in the med service, but my dad was for 20+ years and I never recall them having mandatory PT for hospital staff as long as they were keeping their PT scores up. Now, if those scores were going down or if Soldiers are failing it then I can understand the 1SG wanting to do something about it. Considering the nature of the work he could do a 1700 formation instead of a 1600 formation so the Soldiers can get more sleep, which is vital for those involved in patient care. My recommendation depends on what you do at the hospital. If you're not involved in patient care then I'd say suck it up. If you're handling patients or their files then accommodations should be made to avoid errors in care. I'm pretty sure there is no regulation you can go pointing to. At the end of the day you're Soldiers and are expected to suck it up and drive on. If you truly believe that it will affect the safety of the patients though then you're obligated to bring it up the chain of command, not to get out of PT, but to get a time for you and those on your shift to be able to do PT and not put patients at risk. As far as getting more sleep, my wife is a nurse and she works 12 hour shifts overnight as a civilian and she is expected to figure out her time management on her off time. You're a Soldier so do the same.
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Similar to what you're saying, I've done plenty of shift work. Sometimes it was individual PT, sometimes it was group PT. However, the group PT was always led by that shift and adjacent to their working hours.
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Are you serious?! How bout you stop crying like a little girl and suck it up soldier? SMH, you wouldn't have lasted 30 seconds in the Corps!
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You may not like it and you may not think it's fair but it's a lawful order from a superior. That means you need to make the adjustments, not the 1ST Sergeant. It may not be the answer you want but it's the truth.
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Should a Soldier not make requests that improve their long-term working situation? At what point did trying to improve things become a negative?
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Although the original post was awhile back, I'll comment.
I'd hate that too, but as an MP we had no choice most of the time. In your case, it seems you are a medic; specifically a lab technician. An argument could be made about a lack of sleep affecting the absolute necessity of quality work, depending on what kind of lab work you actually do.
Perhaps the 1SG/CO would be more in tune with your concerns, IF you're PT score is exceptional and your appearance is within height/weight standards. It's also possible that they might consider a time for PT for those in a similar shift situation, led by a SL or PSG - an hour or two BEFORE 1600.
I'd hate that too, but as an MP we had no choice most of the time. In your case, it seems you are a medic; specifically a lab technician. An argument could be made about a lack of sleep affecting the absolute necessity of quality work, depending on what kind of lab work you actually do.
Perhaps the 1SG/CO would be more in tune with your concerns, IF you're PT score is exceptional and your appearance is within height/weight standards. It's also possible that they might consider a time for PT for those in a similar shift situation, led by a SL or PSG - an hour or two BEFORE 1600.
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You suck it up and go to PT. You sacrifice sleep when it's for something you want to do.
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