Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
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What exactly do you have to explain? Trying to understand just what the problem is. What is your day like after morning PT? Is your section forever relegated to the four to balls? So you work the night shift.
Reading your information you’re getting an eight hour break which you’re not obligated to get, BTW. This is not unfair situation or against regs in any service I’ve worked with. Hell, sounds a lot more stable and restful than most rotations I’ve experienced.
As for regs that support anything, I have to believe the Army subscribes to the whole lawful order business, so there’s that.
Reading your information you’re getting an eight hour break which you’re not obligated to get, BTW. This is not unfair situation or against regs in any service I’ve worked with. Hell, sounds a lot more stable and restful than most rotations I’ve experienced.
As for regs that support anything, I have to believe the Army subscribes to the whole lawful order business, so there’s that.
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Did a tour in Vietnam, 4 - 5 hrs. was a luxury. With the coast guard and you are at a lifeboat Station Tou may be out on a call get 4-5 hours in before reveille, you get up and start your day. You are NOT guaranteed 8 hrs. sleep at night. I can remember one time when it was 96+ hrs. before I saw my rack again and more than a few of 24 hrs.+. We didn't have organized PT, but we did work out. Anybody who did a tour in Vietnam or any CZ knew that sleep was a premium and you got it where and when you could.
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The A-Hole in me wants to say "SUCK IT UP kILO!"
The only section in the Hospital? Really?
Believe me, I've been there. Had the same argument. Debated all those same issues.
"Losing battle" is only the begining of it.
What can you do?
Talk to the First Sargent. Might work. Most likely wont.
Max your PT test, then ask. Again, good luck.
I always found these things come in waves.
In fact I would bet this rotated around several times already, since you made this post.
Big group, nobody show, big group, nobody shows. I bet there was a PT test coming up.
The only section in the Hospital? Really?
Believe me, I've been there. Had the same argument. Debated all those same issues.
"Losing battle" is only the begining of it.
What can you do?
Talk to the First Sargent. Might work. Most likely wont.
Max your PT test, then ask. Again, good luck.
I always found these things come in waves.
In fact I would bet this rotated around several times already, since you made this post.
Big group, nobody show, big group, nobody shows. I bet there was a PT test coming up.
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That’s an easy fix solve the problem by understanding you’re in the service you do what you’re told it’s not unlawful so do it period
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Sorry, I'm not sympathetic and don't buy your excuse. The only viable reason to miss PT is medical, especially if the exercise could do more damage. You are supposed to be ready for duty 24/7 and PT is part of that duty regiment.
I'm retired Air Force, but seven of the first eight months I spent in the Air Force involved being shifted from one Army base or camp to another. At that last base, Ft. Harrison, I was in a joint service company and falling out for PT was voluntary. I did it anyway.
Four decades later, I'm now a disabled veteran suffering from severe arthritis among other things, finding running hard, but that doesn't stop me from getting up at 4:30 every morning and walking five to six miles.
My wife and I now walk marathons. I'm always humbled when I do those events. You are competing with individuals on prosthetic legs, adaptive wheelchairs, are wounded warriors, and in one instance was a blinded wounded warrior....and you say to yourself, so what's my problem.
Guess you could say my exposure to PT in both the Air Force and the Army became a major lifestyle change.
I'm retired Air Force, but seven of the first eight months I spent in the Air Force involved being shifted from one Army base or camp to another. At that last base, Ft. Harrison, I was in a joint service company and falling out for PT was voluntary. I did it anyway.
Four decades later, I'm now a disabled veteran suffering from severe arthritis among other things, finding running hard, but that doesn't stop me from getting up at 4:30 every morning and walking five to six miles.
My wife and I now walk marathons. I'm always humbled when I do those events. You are competing with individuals on prosthetic legs, adaptive wheelchairs, are wounded warriors, and in one instance was a blinded wounded warrior....and you say to yourself, so what's my problem.
Guess you could say my exposure to PT in both the Air Force and the Army became a major lifestyle change.
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What kind of pussy outfit do you belong to? 5 show up for PT ?At Bragg you'd probably get an article15.Even with 2hours of sleep we ran 4 miles .Suck it up buttercup !
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Well here's what you do. On your way to PT, you go by supply and pick up a spine and a pair of testicles.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
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I don't think your !SG is asking for you to do PT on 5 hour of sleep but on deployment I have worked with much less, both as a medic when I stared, and when I got out as a nurse. But when I was working at a hospital I was on either the 1600-0000 or 0000--0800 so I know about having a messed up sleep schedule. What it might help to do it just live like a vampire, be a wake during the night time hours, use when you get off as cool down then, sleep, before work.
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Suck it up buttercup! There is no issue to discuss. Your are in the military, do your job to include scheduled PT.
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You cannot maintain a day shift lifestyle when you work a swing or night shift. You need to adjust your sleep schedule around your duty schedule. Your duty schedule seems to be 1600 - 0000 hrs and 0530 - 0630/0730. That gives you from 0630/0730 - 1600 hrs to sleep and 0000 - 0530 hrs as free time. Seems that you have about 14/15 hrs a day for sleep and other activities. You can figure this out. There are few exceptions in the military for disgruntled service members. You volunteered and signed a contract to do your duty. You need to hold up your end of the contract.
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