Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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SGT Robert Reid
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Get your ass to PT. That’s how to deal with it. We all had to do it.
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LCpl Tiffinie Julien
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Respectfully, there are going to be times when you won’t be able to get proper sleep and will have to keep moving. I know it’s unfair but hopefully this won’t last.
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SSG Ken Potts
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You go to PT.
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SGT Joe Belisario
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Better Ruck up Kid
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SGT Tabauren Dortch
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I get most of the comments here. I was a part of the old army too where most of would tell you to suck it up and drive on. Coming up in ranks, I was fortunate enough to have many good leaders "raise" me. Working medevac while deployed showed me and my leaders that working overnight and trying to make it to pt would not hinder my ability to take 9=lines and ensure our pilots were safe, but would also risk the lives of those we picked up. Some people here may not realize how important your role is. What I suggest is the same thing I did. Talk to your first line supervisor and have him talk with your 1sgt and commander about your section doing pt on your own.
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SGT Kenneth Partyka
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You don't. You suck it up and get your ass in formation. You're a soldier, not a snowflake. If you can't handle it, find a new career
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LCpl Earl Breon
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This just sounds like a Command that needs to be made aware the issue exists. It's easy for them to cross some wires with all the moving pieces they have. Part of the job of your NCOs is to keep their Command informed, that includes duty schedules. If you have a decent NCO they should already see the problem and be looking for a solution, but just in case they haven't the best way to approach it is with solutions in hand.

Maybe your section leader can run a PT session for y'all that would satisfy the needs of the Command?

Maybe the formation and or duty schedules could be altered to not conflict with each other?

Maybe there is another solution y'all can find. Just never bring up a problem without a couple solutions, that's just bitching. Plus, it shows you have some skills in identifying and solving problems, which are very valuable skills to showcase!
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SGT John Selmon
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I fail to see your problem. You said that you're getting 4-5 hours of sleep, right? Well, during the invasion of Iraq, we went at least 72 hours with no sleep. You new so-called soldiers are total wimps!!!! You're a huge part of the reason I had to get out of the army. I could not stand being around soldiers who failed to perform & had no respect for senior soldiers.
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SPC John Dodge
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Go to PT, Private.
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SN Rick Mcconnell
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This is a part of your Daily Job, this helps everyone to stay in shape. So No there is Nothing you can do, but suck it up and be there every morning for roll call, so to be Blunt but this is part of what you signed up for.
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SSG Stephen Kimball
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if you aren't working at PT time, get your rear out of bed. if you weren't working at midnight, would you be at the club until 2?
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Cpl George Matousek
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You are in the military and must follow orders, suck it up and due as you are told. Semper Fi
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SPC Carlton Phelps
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I feel the point is being missed here. SPC Davis has a high-demand job that isn't in a war zone. I believe she would step up her workload and go a lot longer without sleep if required.
But working every day with this schedule can wear you down. I worked for years on the 0000 to 0530 shift and that is a bear. Hard to go straight to bed without a little downtime. And why should she be expected to give up all of her time to PT and sleep?
I would take this matter up with my platoon leader first, then go higher if needed. Just be honest about how it is affecting you. If all else fails there is sick-call.
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SPC David S.
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E-4 mafia solution go to PT and "sprain your ankle" doing jump-in-jacks.
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SGT Robert Andrews
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You are complaining about your problem. If you read the regulations. It does not say what time you have to do pt. If your 1st Sgt. Says you will be at formation after your work your night shift. Then you will be at pt formation granted that is the end of your day. If you look at the time schedule of a typical military day 0500 wake up 0530 0630 pt breakfast in a hurry with personal hygiene 0730 to 0800 morning formation then an end formation around 1700.
Now flip it to an 8 hour night shift... you get off work at midnight then get 4 to5 hours sleep go to morning formation and pt then you are on down time until your night shift...
Where's the complaint?
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SGM Leon Peck
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For now, you go to PT. If you don’t, you will be guilty of failure to comply with a lawful order. And that can result in non-judicial punishment and a blot on your record. And if it continues, you will be subjecting yourself to more serious consequences. Go to your leadership at the hospital. You will fare better if the leadership addresses the concerns to your 1SG. As a junior enlisted, I hate to tell you this, but if you complain, you will just come across as “sniveling”. A person in your chain of command at the hospital will have a better chance of making your case.
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SGT Frank Hewes
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I can remember days in AIT that I had to do midnight KP and fire guard on the same night, then be in formation at 06:00 for PT. Had to take a catnap during lunch, but I made it through.
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SN Kristi Kalis
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Having 2 times to get to PT? What a luxury! I got around 3 hours of sleep before our PT. Only one a day at 0500.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally? You don't. You do not miss formation or PT unless you are either on duty or out for medical reasons. Same thing for being late for, or missing, work.
Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything? Failing to show up for PT is a violation of Article 86, Failure to Report.
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SSG Joe Lopez
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Get the hell Out!!!
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LTC George Morgan
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Can appreciate it. Military has always had a problem matching career patterns with what a soldier should be doing and when. There is a difference between what the soldier should be doing and what he should be doing to get ready for combat. Both need to be rote when you get into combat. However that is a different stress scenario. It is a way of weeding out those you can adapt to a combat 24 hour and a 24 hour support situation. It is something which requires CO's at different levels need to stay on top of. time management is needed to the max. However administering & managing is required too. I dealt with supporting combat troops in RVN and it often took 18-23 hours of sleep a night. Keep in mind that combat is a 24 hour stress situation if you want to stay alive. Being support means the same thing, except if you want to not be combat while doing your job it may wind being over run. So you have to avoid becoming the front line and the support. Survival means a lot and takes a lot. It also means not having Officers & NCO's who keep a unit function to maintain that end.
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