Posted on Jun 12, 2019
I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.
I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.
As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.
How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
Edited 6 y ago
Posted 6 y ago
Responses: 1688
As a Junior Enlisted you are stuck Period. Follow orders ! If it interferes with Hospital duties ask the Hospital admin to request the 1st Sgt make an allowance. I suggest you do as you are told, bucking the system doesn't work .
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Here's the solution. Go to PT, go home, shower, and go back to bed. If you can talk your command into a 0800 PT time then more power to you, but in the end you've got from the end of PT till 1600 to sleep and get ready for work. Welcome to the Army.
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You are whining. The army needs its personnel to be in good physical and mental condition. In today's military, we have a huge amount of humans that are overweight. Most of our armed forces are in poor shape even if not overweight. You should hug and kiss your first sergeant and be thankful he or she cares about your health.
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Do not taking short cuts t get around the P.T cause it too is sign when the going gets tough, you would shortcut inthe battle ground, or anywhere you are, Taking the long way around is for your own conditioning and safety and it prepares you mentally to not turn and run if you are pinned down somewhere.
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You go and do PT on only 4-5 hours sleep. That's what you do. After PT you can go back to sleep. Look Yes it Sucks the Big Green Weenie is doing you without the courtesy of a reach around but you still have plenty of down time to get more sleep after PT. It's just a new routine you will have to get used to unless you can get your Company XO or CO to give you a pass but I do not see that happening since they would have to do that for your entire section and that would be unfair to everyone else in the Company that didn't get a pass. So it's just one of those things where you say to your self Welcome to the Army lol...
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Wow, just wow. The military has sure changed.
Sign your name, take the oath, do what you are told.
You may get an order one day that Could lead to your death. That is the job. Go to PT and quit whining.
Sign your name, take the oath, do what you are told.
You may get an order one day that Could lead to your death. That is the job. Go to PT and quit whining.
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These new soldiers whine about everything. Our force is becoming weaker and weaker. You get 5 hours of sleep before PT come back shower and you still have 9-10 hours before you have to be at work. What’s the problem?!
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You're getting 4 to 5 hours of sleep and you're worried about PT? You obviously have no idea what is in store being a parent and having a job. I am absolutely ashamed at the military for promoting you above me because you do not belong in the military. Soup sandwich doesn't even describe you. Blue falcon does describe you. What the fuck are you in the military for? For fucks sake, why the fuck did you enlist?
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re-up, re-up you’re crazy, re-up, re-up you’re out of your mind, my opinion in a nut shell...
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Wah Wah Wah....man it scares me that wussie like this are in the Military. How about 3 days with only a few hours snatched when possible. I know a guy who went through his training as a CIVILIAN PA .. forced to work 24 - 36 hrs straight with only grabbing some sleep in an empty hospital room and had to be back at it within hours. Asleep standing up. A former SEAL dropped out. Why this grueling treatment? So that in real life situations you could function under conditions that may come close to or exceed that training. The excuse given here of being medical is nothing more than elitist crap. I served as a Marine I want my Corpsman to be able to cut it at least as mich as we had to... ITR...18 hrs in the field..back to a wooden hutch..clean weapons, go outside in the cold rain, jump a muddy drainage ditch to get to the head. Clean up. Return in the rain and mud, jump the ditch, hit the rack, get rousted after 2-hrs for a fire drill and rifle inspection. Return to barracks. Get ready for another day in the field. Go to chow. Ooops..chow hall closing. Only toast and coffee. Back to barracks. Fall out. Wait in rain for trucks that were always late. Get on trucks. Arrive at training site in the middle of a highly forested nowhere. Begin the days training. Then do it all again 5 days a week. Sorry cupcakes. Suck it up ot go home. You are NOT wanted in the field.
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Is it possible you've forgotten you voluntarily joined the U.S. Army, not the Salvation Army? You are training for, and must remain prepared to, go to war. Once on the line where bullets are flying you might not, and probably won't, get much sleep for days. Ask anyone, from any service branch, who has been there.
Your 1SG isn't there to tuck you into bed. He's there to keep you ready, and hopefully alive. Whether you're getting lack of sleep is due to having recently come off duty, or returning from a late night/early morning in town isn't the priority.
Your readiness is. Your ability to survive and have the back of you buddy is.
Your 1SG isn't there to tuck you into bed. He's there to keep you ready, and hopefully alive. Whether you're getting lack of sleep is due to having recently come off duty, or returning from a late night/early morning in town isn't the priority.
Your readiness is. Your ability to survive and have the back of you buddy is.
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CDR Kenneth Pepper
I was enlisted USN for seven years. If I had the mid-watch, I was permitted to sleep an extra hour. But I was still required to perform all duties and attend all functions. In the military you are not guaranteed 8 hours of sleep. You are required to follow the plan of the Day, unless you have an official function to attend or a medial chit saying you are exempt. I was also in VIetnam. Guess what? The enemy's common tactic was to try to disrupt our sleep, keep us tired. We didn't have the luxury of sleeping in, if sleeping at all. If you want 8 hours of sleep, if you want your world to operate according to your agenda, don't join or stay in the military.
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The military owns you and doesn’t care about your comfort. Pt is a requirement at many commands and it is not something you can pick and choose IF you want to go or not. “Suck it up buttercup”.
I had really bad bronchitis, coughing hard and like crazy. People thought I was dying. This was wintertime and we still has to wear our short shorts and brown Tshirts. I was in the Navy by the way. Our pt instructor was a Seals dropout. So he was rough and by the book. We could not be out of the pt uniform at any time. The senior chief felt bad for me and gave me me his big command issued jacket to use since I was sick. This stupid new low ranking officer told me to take it off. I yelled at him that Senior gave me his jacket and he’s been in longer and has more authority. I told them guy Ive been in longer than him and I wasn’t going to listen to him. So this jerk goes to the commander throwing a fit, al just because I was wearing a jacket to pt. He made me take it off, though Senior in everyones eyes was more seniority since he had been in for so long snd I was coughing my lungs out.
But bottom line, the military doesn't care. They own you and you do as they say.
I had really bad bronchitis, coughing hard and like crazy. People thought I was dying. This was wintertime and we still has to wear our short shorts and brown Tshirts. I was in the Navy by the way. Our pt instructor was a Seals dropout. So he was rough and by the book. We could not be out of the pt uniform at any time. The senior chief felt bad for me and gave me me his big command issued jacket to use since I was sick. This stupid new low ranking officer told me to take it off. I yelled at him that Senior gave me his jacket and he’s been in longer and has more authority. I told them guy Ive been in longer than him and I wasn’t going to listen to him. So this jerk goes to the commander throwing a fit, al just because I was wearing a jacket to pt. He made me take it off, though Senior in everyones eyes was more seniority since he had been in for so long snd I was coughing my lungs out.
But bottom line, the military doesn't care. They own you and you do as they say.
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Ok, I’m going to be honest here. Suck it up and trooper on. I’ve had to do more with less sleep. I did a shooting range after having CQ and no sleep, I lived and the 1SG gave me the rest of the week off afterwards. Just do it and NOT make any waves.
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