Posted on Jun 12, 2019
SPC(P) Medical Laboratory Specialist
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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PO2 Jay O'Brien
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You sound like all these snowflakes and millennials maybe you should go sell AVON and quit your whining your in the military not in Dora the explorer
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SPC Clayton Ellzey
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I have done PT hungover with no sleep.
Had to dig deep and get it done.
There is no rule that's says you can't lay back down since you don't report to duty til 1600.
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SMSgt Clayton Cortinas
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Sometime in the near future, my fellow medic, you may end up in a field hospital where you NEVER know when a patient load will suddenly surge and you may have to extend your "shift" and work through 12 - 18 hour DUTY times. Will you have the stamina to carry through or will you request that the casualties stop bleeding long enough for you to take a nap? I flew aeromedical evacuation missions that would go from 17 - 20 hours with little to no time for sleep. While in the Army as a 91C my team would constantly be alerted to return for incoming injuries and your "shift" wasn't over until all had been cared for and bedded down. Even while on the job in the civilian ER I worked it wasn't unusual for a sudden surge in trauma victims that would result in 12 - 16 hour shifts and we had to be back in a few hours for our next assigned shift. Suck it up and get tough, you might just surprise yourself on what you can accomplish. You have the honor of being in a great MOS, do it with pride & honor.
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LCpl Russell Wallace
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Easy solution: shut up and show up. Jesus guy you’re in the military. You don’t get to just pick and choose which parts you want. At least you have a steady schedule and an easy job. You could be stuck in the field for a couple months with MRE shits and 2 hours of sleep per night.
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SGT Cort Landry
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Go to PT... It will build up your system to help you when you have no sleep at all and still have function.
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MSG Arturo Jauregui
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Hospital staff service members enjoy the comforts of a 9-5 type position. Sounds like the 1SG found out that all or most of his Soldiers are a little to comfy there and are not showing up for PT formation. One of the required formations for a typical unit. The only problem here seems to be a misunderstanding that an order to be at PT formation is an issue or problem as the question is posed. There is no problem. Do your job as a Soldier. That includes being at PT formation.
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SPC David S.
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Something I noticed in your question - you stated "my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift." So are there others in your company making it to PT? Just saying if you can demonstrate its not an individual issue might be able to work out an alternate schedule with your top for your section. This may require some creativity to fix but you can do it. However in the mean time show up to PT. Don't piss off you top as it will not help in finding a way to resolve your sleep deprivation.
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CPL James Barnstead
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Sleeps a crutch you don’t need it. Get Deployed, have kids or get a job working midnights in the civilian world.
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GySgt Tony Capps
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My initial response is that this isn't problem and to yell at you. But you're young and it DOES suck. Get used to suck. I lat moved after my first enlistment and had midnight shift classes but still had to be up for CO PT. It is what it is. If it helps (at your young age and rank maybe it won't) understand that your CO has a duty to report the fitness level of his company to HIS CO. So, in essence, he has to do this. You made the choice to serve, but I believe (and hope) that you will see that your brothers will serve you right back. Hang in there, toughen up, and you'll be proud of yourself for doing so. Oohrah, soldier!
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MAJ John Douglas
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PT is optional???? Imagine a First Sgt noticing only 5 soldiers at PT! Too late, you do sound like you are whining.
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PO2 Joseph Fast
PO2 Joseph Fast
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It's not about PT. It's about the time. Imagine you were working 0800-1300, but had to come in at 0100 in the morning for a task you can EASILY do at 0630 or 1330. It just doesn't make sense. You would not be happy being told you have to come into work at 0100 to workout.
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LTC Marvin Gibson
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He's got a point!...
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Cpl Bernard Bates
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I was at Ft. Knox in 64 the Company fell out at 0515 every morning 6 days for Pt. I notice serveral drafted personell never fell out and they were never reported as absent. So I purposely didn't fall out for rollcall and Pt. My name was turned in as absent so the other missing draftees names had to be turned in also. On Sunday Morning myself and the other absent personel had to go to the EM Club at 0900 to clean the place up. I heard them bitching about some lifer didn't fall out for PT. and that's why they got turned in. I had a smile on my face the whole time we were on the cleanup detail. They fell out for awhile after that. More than once when I was in the Marine Corp I fell out for Pt and rollcall on a couple hrs. sleep after a night of drinking. In the Corp if you didn't fall out rollcall and Pt. you had to be sick and were sent on sick call. If nothing was found wrong with you even with a hangover you did extra duty. But when your young you don't care you live for the moment. Best time I ever had. Semper fi.
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LTC Charles "Pappy" Patchin
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Life is a bitch.
Having burned shit with the best of them, I'm thinking that you should put in for a compassionate discharge because you don't love yourself enough to be a real soldier.
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MAJ Patrick Hairston CISSP, AWS Certified Cloud Architect
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"As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck." You are supposed to. It's a test to see if you can do what you are told.
"How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally? " You ask for a private meeting with the 1SG. Lay out your case. If he says no, then you go to PT at the time designated.
"Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?" Nothing. This is basic soldiering. It's you completing a task. It's you having the fortitude to complete the mission in uncomfortable circumstances. You arent working for Amazon, google or a bank. You are in the military. Adapt to your circumstances and you will be fine.
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MSG Mechanic 2nd
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my question is are the rest of your section going to PT, and many things in the army aren't right, like mass cals when they hit you respond no matter what time its your job
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2LT Public Affairs Officer
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Having worked on swings like that before I would follow the advice you got about building a better schedule. Time management skills can only help you, but for addressing this if you find that it continues to be an issue try to think of as many ways that you yourself can be proactive and if there are gaps, ask for help filling THOSE.

Things like "I've given myself adequate time to address the typical chores/issues I might run into but any sudden issues cut into my only adequate sleep time. The best solution I can see for me to address this problem is X." go a long way.

It might not work but this way you've put in your due effort and if they can't provide you an issue then when an issue escalates or if you start to struggle to meet mission requirements you can readdress it having been ahead of the curve.
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SSG Shawn Mcfadden
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Edited 6 y ago
Time MANAGEMENT. That is your ONLY solution. That should have taught to you when you went to WLC(Previously known as PLDC).
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SGT Tier 3 Exchange Online Support Escalation Engineer
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I have been getting 3-5 hours of sleep the last 10 years. My answer is suck it up and do your job. Your a soldier now. Trying to get out of it will only put you on shakey ground on your chain of command. When you really want them to be team SPC Davis.
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SP5 Michael Smith
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How did you make it through basic training? That's part of being a ready soldier. Trust me, should you ever be involved in combat, the enemy isn't going to wait to engage you just because you got to bed late!
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PO2 Joseph Fast
PO2 Joseph Fast
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Hmm, I know when I was going through basic training I didn't live off base, have to take care of my home, leave everyday, but had to come back at 0100 in the morning to do PT. What kind of basic training did you go to?
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PO2 William Collins
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PUSSY
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SPC Richard Stevenson (Munden)
SPC Richard Stevenson (Munden)
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That was less than constructive, man. Chill.
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PO2 Joseph Fast
PO2 Joseph Fast
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SPC Richard Stevenson (Munden) - Most of these people can't read for shit. They still haven't figured out the complaint is equivalent to a day shift person being told they have to work out at 0100 everyday and most of them think OP is a guy.
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