Posted on Aug 30, 2015
I am coming close to my ETS and I have no idea if I want to stay in or get out. For those who have ETS'd how is it?
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I am coming close to my ETS and I have no idea if I want to stay in or get out. For those who have ETS'd how is it. I know lots of people that miss it. I'm not worried about a job on the outside, it's just when I think about getting out I can't imagine life without the military. I still have a year left so there is plenty of time left. I have just been thinking about this decision for the past year, and I only have a small time frame left to continue to think about it. I would just like input on those who have gotten out.
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SGT Baker,
You are living an adventure most will never relate to. Don't transition unless you have a solid plan. That would include using your GI Bill to gain your college degree or going into a profession like law enforcement. Just understand that it is not the same. Do what you enjoy or what you could enjoy with the right training. Think about ROTC or the National Guard and you can always go back.
You are living an adventure most will never relate to. Don't transition unless you have a solid plan. That would include using your GI Bill to gain your college degree or going into a profession like law enforcement. Just understand that it is not the same. Do what you enjoy or what you could enjoy with the right training. Think about ROTC or the National Guard and you can always go back.
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SGT Steve Burczyk
I was in the Army & turned down a really nice duty assignment at Ft Shaftner,HI & got out in 83 after a 2 1/2 yr break in service lost two ranks but went back into the Army & ended up retiring in 95 by being offered the 15yr Retirement option during the Clinton era & glad I took it.
I always thought life would be greener & easier on the other side of the fence, unfortunately that was not the case for me & it's even harder if your married with kids to take care of. One thing that's a win-win situation with the Army is Job security.
As long as you enjoy what your doing stay-in, if not reclassify or reenlist into something like Computer cyber security, a definite employment perspective on the outside nowadays & even better into the future. My advice is STAY IN. Good Luck to you...
I always thought life would be greener & easier on the other side of the fence, unfortunately that was not the case for me & it's even harder if your married with kids to take care of. One thing that's a win-win situation with the Army is Job security.
As long as you enjoy what your doing stay-in, if not reclassify or reenlist into something like Computer cyber security, a definite employment perspective on the outside nowadays & even better into the future. My advice is STAY IN. Good Luck to you...
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Cpl Brian Schwarm
I definitely miss it at times, but civilian life is way better (I think so anyways), I feel like you are much more appreciated, and you can do many more things that you had to either get permission to in the service, or couldn't do at all. Getting a job as a veteran is a cake walk and 8 hour days are a breeze. Overtime and holiday pay is amazing. it is true that you get less time off, but I find in large that you don't need as much time off, I have a job I don't really need a vacation from and when I do want to do something different, there is plenty of paid time off waiting for me. It's not like you are going home on leave every time you want to take a vacation, you can take a single day of time off and really get a lot out of it, especially if you couple it with a weekend. I honestly think that it is, in fact, easy out here. The service has prepared you to deal with a lot worse, this is cake. Oh and another thing, you don't like a job you just got, put in your two weeks after you've easily found another and move on.
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SrA Nick Skinner
Now is a great time to transition. Back when there weren't any support programs, a crappy GI bill, and no knowledge of PTSD, it didn't make sense to get out. If you have a plan, you have access to support groups, medical benefits, education, and employers who make hiring veterans a high priority.
Only stay in if you truly love what you are doing. If you want to move on to the next chapter of your life, it's the perfect time to do it.
Only stay in if you truly love what you are doing. If you want to move on to the next chapter of your life, it's the perfect time to do it.
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LTC John Wilson
Unless you have a solid plan in place to transition into a civilian career you will love (with a job offer) -- and you've accounted for all the benefits you will lose when you separate with you new income -- I would recommend any Service Member to Re-Up. If you do separate, continue to serve in a reserve capacity provided your new career allows you to.
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It is weird. That is all I have to say. One day you carry a rifle and are doing the most bad-ass things on this planet, and the next . . . you have to be "normal". My suggestion is to find veteran groups to support yourself as you transition. There is a significant sense of isolation upon leaving. I never thought I would seek out veterans. I just wanted to be me. Problem is, we are all products of our environment. Now, I find veterans or they find me. We do great team-based work (effortlessly) and we advise our civilian counterparts. There is a light at the end of the tunnel and remember who will help carry you to fruition!
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MAJ (Join to see)
SPC Michelle Nelson - Thompson - Exactly, the answer I am giving the SGT I gave it assuming that he is maybe 4 or 5 yrs in and up for his first reenlistment. This is the point where he has invested some and already can enjoy the rewards and benefits. If he stays another reenlistment then he would be older and would have invested more in the enlisted military career where if he gets out he would feel the financial difference more than if he gets right now. After your first enlistment most of us had a decent paycheck that is closer to adjust to college life than if we were a higher grade NCO and used to better lifestyle. Also the longer you stay in the more chances you have more bills and responsibilities that limit your choices because now you have higher financial needs. BTW, sorry that you were not taken care off correctly while in the military.
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SPC Michelle Nelson - Thompson
I actually did re-up for two years. If you're not sure re-up for the shortest time possible and then re-evaluate your choices.
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SPC Michelle Nelson - Thompson
MAJ (Join to see) - A lot of my time read like a Shakespearean play. Still could not beat the life experiences, camaraderie and lifelong memories and friends created. Has to happen to someone and I know it's not the norm. It's why I still encourage people to join. I think they should push high school forward a year and make boot camp mandatory. I went over summer vacation between my Junior and Senior year. Came out a different person as most everyone does.
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MAJ (Join to see)
SPC Michelle Nelson - Thompson - LOL! Funny you mentioned that. I served jointly with Spaniard and French forces and I forgot which one was it but they told me that they had to serve two years in the military before 28 yrs of age. I was told this back in 96 so I am not sure if this was true or still but I thought it was a great idea. I believe many young people have too much of an entitlement mentality and dont appreciate the freedom of our country and how good they really have it. I think boot camp was at the least mandatory upon high school graduation LOL! Anyways thats another subject in itself!
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I was in your position before. I did four years enlisted on active duty and then ETSed. My plan was to go to college and work in law enforcement. I carried out my plan to some degree, but found myself reenlisting in the ARNG three years later. Eventually, I got my commission and went back on active duty in the AGR program. I am very glad I did. The best part of being back in was the camaraderie with my fellow Soldiers and I was blessed with all those great memories :)
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MSG Dominique Vidrine
MAJ Maynard, good advice Sir. I too was active in the USMC, Army and then finished up AGR in Civil Affairs. Pro's and con's but definitely worth it, certainly less formations!
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MAJ Bill Maynard
MSG Dominique Vidrine - Well less formations sounds good when you're tired of them.... Now I miss them
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If your not sure and your ETS is coming up don't get out. I was like you with my first enlistment as a MudPuppy and was under 30 days before terminal leave was due to start. I reupped and reclassed (not the best thing, but damn sure wasn't the worst). Do an extension or reup for two so you have more time to finalize a decision. Nothings worse than getting out and finding that your plan wasn't correct, or you regret the decision. You didn't mention if you had a family or not, so if you do, talk to them. They're an integral part of the transition out or staying in. The GI bill is great, but remember you'll only get BAH for where you are, and it could be rather cheap. Also with it, if you decide to use online schooling rather than brick and mortar/hybrid classes, the BAH rate is cut in half. Learn about the FULL benefits of the GI Bill and not the rosy glossed over parts.
I see you're assigned to INSCOM. So you have a clearance. If you choose to say in, think about reclassing unless you're GTG as a MudPuppy (great MOS BTW) lol. If you choose to get out, USE THE CLEARANCE to your advantage. I know a few MP's that were assigned to INSCOM at Belvoir that got out and used it to their advantage. Just make sure it's current.
I see you're assigned to INSCOM. So you have a clearance. If you choose to say in, think about reclassing unless you're GTG as a MudPuppy (great MOS BTW) lol. If you choose to get out, USE THE CLEARANCE to your advantage. I know a few MP's that were assigned to INSCOM at Belvoir that got out and used it to their advantage. Just make sure it's current.
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SSG (Join to see)
SSG Warren Swan I plan on using my clearance to my advantage if I get out. That is one of the things I worry about if I stay in. I don't want to changes MOS's and there aren't too many MP jobs that will keep it active. So that is something I have been keeping in mind. I have been networking in the building I work with, most of the jobs the people train you, no experience needed. There are lots of former MP's here.
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CW2 Eric Kline
SSG (Join to see) - ST Baker, don't count on your clearance (unless you already have something set up) , because of the 'loyalty factor' many folks are not making much just so they can keep their clearance...unless you are willing to serve in high stress overseas
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I've been out almost 10 years. Johnny Cash said the first pill he ever popped was euphoric. Every pill he took after that never replaced that initial feeling he got with the first one. The military is the first pill. Civilian life is every pill after that.
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SO there I am, just last night on my way home from a senior NCO meeting stopping for gas at about the half way mark. A fella at the next pump walks over to me and asks if I was in Afghanistan pointing to my patch. I told him no, Iraq and as I turn to look at him realize he was one of my former Soldiers from my first howitzer section. I counseled him about leaving the Guard because he had a great attitude, lots of smarts for artillery, and seemed to love the job. Well being a Spec. 4 (it was that long ago), he knew everything (some things never change in the Army). I ran into him about five years after that and he told me he wished he had stayed in. I pounced at the opportunity to put him back in boots, but he had hurt his back and was no longer medically eligible. I told him that was nonsense until after he had a physical. He told me he had taken another military physical and they said he could not re-enlist with his injury. IF your undecided, the reserve component is an option you should not over look. If you like your current job and the Army, STAY. It is a tough life, but so is life on the outside. One benefit of the Army over civilian life is you never have to decide what to wear in the morning! If you don't like doing the Army thing full-time, GET OUT. Don't stay because you are afraid of the transition, but look at the Guard and Reserve.
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SSG (Join to see)
Thank you SGM! The reserve will more than likely in the end be the option if I want to get out. I don't think it is something I can quit cold turkey lol.
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I miss it still, 20+ years later. I also kick myself because I could have retired 2 years ago.
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I joined when I was 17, let my first wife talk me into getting out, I have regretted it to this day. I could have retired at 37. I could have picked up another job or just chilled, but either way, Life would have been better . If you have a very good trade, you may want to come out, but remember retirement age is 67 now and they want to move it up to 70. Also the competition in the open job market is strong and jobs are a lot leaner than when I got out. I would seriously give it a lot of thought. Do online research for the civilian career you are considering and see how tough the competition is. You may have to relocate , start lower than your skill level, etc.
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SGT Baker, as one who has been where you are, I know how scary it can be to get out. I was active duty Navy for 8 years and was out ten years for school then came back in the Army. I worked at the VA hospital as a chaplain during that time and many of the veterans I talked to wished that they had stayed in. At this point, if you enjoy it, I would encourage you to stay in, maybe this is what you were meant to do!
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If you enjoy what you do and like being in, stay. There are good reasons to stay and to go, and it really depends on what you want to do in life.
It's also hard to find a job you like to do. If you don't like what you're doing or it doesn't support you and your family, it's time to move on. However, if you're happy, stay.
It's also hard to find a job you like to do. If you don't like what you're doing or it doesn't support you and your family, it's time to move on. However, if you're happy, stay.
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LCpl Dan McTiernan
Sounds like time for a Ben Franklin close. A term used in sales. Take out a sheet of paper, draw a line down the center. On the Left side identify all the good things you experience and like about your life in the military, on the right side, identify all the good things you think are available or desirable for you in civilian life. which one has the greatest value and benefit for you. Of course don't forget to include the negatives. done properly you should have at least two pages. which pulls you the most?
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