Posted on Jul 22, 2016
I have a buddy who recently joined AD and wants to switch to reserves. Is this possible?
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He's OCONUS and has mentioned he will purposely fail a PT test, and I talked him out of it. He wants to move to the Reserves, but from the looks of it, he CANNOT. He heard what he needed to hear and the consequences of Malingering. I appreciate the responses, but any answer after this edit, will not be read by myself.
He's OCONUS and has mentioned he will purposely fail a PT test, and I talked him out of it. He wants to move to the Reserves, but from the looks of it, he CANNOT. He heard what he needed to hear and the consequences of Malingering. I appreciate the responses, but any answer after this edit, will not be read by myself.
Edited 9 y ago
Posted 9 y ago
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Well, first off, and SSG Carlos Madden stated, if he would intentionally fail an APFT, then we don't need him in the Infantry. that being said, however, he is locked in right now. For OCONUS, Branch mandates 12 month stabilization before action is taken (no reassignments, progression schools, etc) barring extenuating circumstances (Compassionate reassignment). They will not re-compartmentalize him to the Reserves or the National Guard until he is at least 12 months on-station.
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Excuse my French. But why the fuck is this even a discussion? He wasn't drafted, he volunteered and signed the contract. Too damn bad if you don't like it, should have thought out the decision a little more... Too , shut up, do the job you ASKED FOR, and when your enlistment is up get the fuck out because if you don't want to than we don't want you to either.
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Correct me on this but 11B initial contract is three years? That includes OSUT correct? If so, what is his major malfunction? He's damn near the half way mark. Maybe he needs a gut check. Before looking at what he'd get for getting out, look at what he'd LOOSE for getting out that way. That "high speed severance pay"? Has be looked at it? It's NOT what you think it is, and you're going to a unit that will put the screws to you to get him away from them. I'm NOT dogging out 11B's yet, but let's be real.....there are these wonderful creations in between your legs called BALLS. Grab hold and squeeze. Now go finish up your enlistment or at least fight for it, and be a man on the way out.
Hello My name is Matt Swan. The originator (at least the first one it was used on) of the "Magic Bullet", and I approve this message.
Hello My name is Matt Swan. The originator (at least the first one it was used on) of the "Magic Bullet", and I approve this message.
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If I were the one who would approve/disapprove his application he would not have the option.
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You Know what, I change my mind I don't want to know how many years his contract is. by the looks of it from everyone's response, tell him to get get out because no one here would want him in their fighting hole. The boy gets a grain of sand in his pussy and he wants to go home to mommy, Fucking worthless Boot. Sorry SPC(P) (Join to see) but your friend is dead weight. I'm sure he's a good friend to you but as a Soldier, you know as well as everyone here he doesn't belong.
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My brother an I had a deep discussion about this topic, basically we wondered why the military doesn't give people more chances to get out. A lot of people get swayed into longer enlistments by the bonuses and 4 years can be a very long time when you find out you dislike something. Give people an out after basic, have them reup for AIT, then another chance to get out. A reup for 6 months of active duty. 6 months of active duty will show people if they are going to like it or not, then bring in 2-4 year enlistment bonuses. The military is not for everyone period. This would allow people who cant cut it or just don't like it to get out with no penalty and the people that end up staying in 4 years or more will probably be a higher quality individual and one more suited for the military. By the time your at the end of your first enlistment you would have needed to volunteer 4 times. That should weed out people like this easily.
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SPC James Anderson
PO2 if you read my comment I never said that someone who quits Seal/BUDS gets to leave the service, I just said they get the chance to quit, sorry for the confusion, I was just using that as an example of a way the service makes sure to get only the most motivated people to move forward in their training.
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SFC Terry Murphy
Do you really want the to give the people who sign on the dotted line this option? So the military (Our tax dollars) pay for training, food, lodging for several months and then have nothing to show for it? Then a few months of AIT and more training and money spent just to have someone decide they would like to make more money on the civilian side with all the training they just had? Then a few months later, when they are in a unit that is set to deploy, they say, no, I will just get out and leave my unit short handed. Yea, that sounds like a great idea! The recruits that sign on the line need to know that they will have to do the time they signed up for. If not, they get kicked out with a less than honorable discharge, and they can live with it the rest of their lives. The military is not like college where if you don't like it, you can just quit and walk away.
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SFC Terry Murphy
To add on to the post above, when I was an Instructor at Airborne School in the early 90s, I heard it cost about $10000/student to attend the school. Airborne school is 3 weeks long and had an average of about 400 students per class. That is travel to and from duty stations, food lodging, training, equipment, aircraft for the jumps and everything else involved. Now think of what it costs to send a recruit from home to basic to AIT(some of which are over 6 months long. Do you want our tax dollars wasted like that?
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SPC James Anderson
SFC cant you quit Airborne School at any point? Why is that allowed if its such a waste of tax money? Why not force them to finish since they signed on the dotted line to go? And yes, I would waste a hell of a lot of tax money to ensure that the guy on the line next to me actually wanted to be there and was doing something he loved!
The reason these schools allow people to quit is to make sure that only the most motivated finish, right? Giving people an easy way out helps weed out the weak or unmotivated. You were an instructor there, did that not allow only the best to continue on? Why cant we apply that to the initial schools? Its impossible to know what a military life is like until you experience it and it for damn sure aint for everyone.
Yes this would waste some of our tax dollars but if there's anything the military excels at its wasting money.
The reason these schools allow people to quit is to make sure that only the most motivated finish, right? Giving people an easy way out helps weed out the weak or unmotivated. You were an instructor there, did that not allow only the best to continue on? Why cant we apply that to the initial schools? Its impossible to know what a military life is like until you experience it and it for damn sure aint for everyone.
Yes this would waste some of our tax dollars but if there's anything the military excels at its wasting money.
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Not possible, he signed a contract and is required to fulfill it. Once he is ready to ETS, he can then sign for the reserves or NG. However, if he is chartered due to APFT failure, he more likely will require a waiver, and in today's Army, such waiver will probably be denied. Pass the APFT, get promoted, fulfill your obligations, get out with a RE 1 in the DD-214 and an Honorable discharge.
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MSG (Join to see)
why do we spend more time trying to save one sm and thier poor choices than we do cultivating the next leaders
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SSG Warren Swan
MSG (Join to see) - 90/10 rule. Not to mention MSG, there are those we will see who to others we should send them packing. You look at their counseling packets and it tells you to send him home. But when you look at what he had to work with, and for, the problem is two fold; an arrogant ass NCO, who shouldn't even have the stripes, knows very well how to write negative counseling statements, but has never written a positive one? We could blame Joe all day, but if you're not looking at Joes NCO with the same skeptical eyes, you might send the wrong one packing. If I came under you in this, I'd ask you to move both to separate PLTs and watch what happens there.
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His DD214 will forever say failed to meet standards. I had a good friend who purposely failed the APFT to get out and to the day he died he never got over the shame.
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Why would we want someone in todays army that does not want to be in the army? He should just get out and be done with it if he does not want to do it.
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SFC J Fullerton
SPC(P) (Join to see) - Wrong MOS? He chose Infantry. Hard to misunderstand what that job is or confuse it with something else. Probably picked Infantry because he wanted to be a bad ass and found out it was too hard.
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SSG (Join to see)
SPC(P) (Join to see) - Your going to find bad leadership or bad jobs anywhere you go in and out of the army. You cant just quit the army because you don't like your NCO's. Sorry it does not work like that and the reserves are no different you just don't see them as much.
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