Posted on Jul 22, 2016
I have a buddy who recently joined AD and wants to switch to reserves. Is this possible?
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He's OCONUS and has mentioned he will purposely fail a PT test, and I talked him out of it. He wants to move to the Reserves, but from the looks of it, he CANNOT. He heard what he needed to hear and the consequences of Malingering. I appreciate the responses, but any answer after this edit, will not be read by myself.
He's OCONUS and has mentioned he will purposely fail a PT test, and I talked him out of it. He wants to move to the Reserves, but from the looks of it, he CANNOT. He heard what he needed to hear and the consequences of Malingering. I appreciate the responses, but any answer after this edit, will not be read by myself.
Edited 9 y ago
Posted 9 y ago
Responses: 104
Aren't you allowed to request an ELS in your first year of service? Someone told me they did that when they decided the army was not for them. My BCT DS also used to preach that as a viable means of getting away from him, lol. Sounds like this may be the best for everyone in that situation.
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anyone who wants to fail a pt test to get out is a total looser there are many ways of getting out and so with the army the military should have height weight standards and phyiscal agility test before a recruit is considered for the job in the military i have seen peeps biger then sumo wrestlers in the navy and wonder how they pass there pt test let alone run a milie and a half am no runner myself and I weigh in 130 lbs at 511 but seeing whale she he blows is another story in its own self
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This solider has no military bearings !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO BALLS WEEKEND WARRIOR
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I would first ask why he wants to go the reserves? Second, I would ask maybe a different mos, 11b might not be his thing. Then if he continued to tank his PT test because he is just plain unhappy, coc
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SGT (Join to see)
Phone died... If I were his chain of command and he was still tanking I would look at chaptering him out. Who know? Young kid just might need some guidance.
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Seriously, he made a committent by signing the dotted line. He should read the Army Values everyday until his next PT test and whatever he finds deep within himself will be revealed. Only HE can choose the direction he wants to go. I would hate to have another Patriot regret and exploited for a dumb decision.
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Sounds to me like your friend needs some additional PT training say 3-6 extra miles a day. 200 sit-ups and maybe an extra duty to keep him strong until he passes all his APFT's.
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Does he work for the same government that will change the terms of your contract or even extend it with out consent? Then why can't he use their rules to his advantage? If they didn't like him they would work to get him out. But heaven forbid he want to get out. They will work to make sure he can't. Bottom line is if he wants out and knows what to do, so what. Ball in their court. Do they keep him in? In the process get everyone at his job upset because he does a half ass job? Is it worth the time and effort? I don't think so.
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We do not want him unless he is willing to finish his current obligation and pass the APFT.
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You advised him if he purposely fails the APFT and gets chaptered, the USAR or the ARNG may not want him. The best thing he can do is finish out his term and then join the USAR...
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You know when I was getting my chapter 15 for my multiple times late to PT I thought maybe Active duty was not for me and then I grew a pair and changed my whole attitude and stopped hitting the snooze button! He will make a choice whether that choice is fail out or except his contract and pony up he will have to deal with the consequence that comes along with that choice! And for you being his friend you should encourage him to take advantage of all the resources the army has and he can walk out of his contract when it's over as somebody be cause he will be just another fish in the barrel trying to scrape by if he gets chaptered out!
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He DOES need to "Suck It Up". If he fails the PFT or PRT, he will be on the "run for lunch" until he either passes or his current contract runs out. In any case, his life will be a living hell. His NCOIC needs to get knee deep in his shit and try and motivate this misguided Soldier.
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In my day, infantry was a 2 year commitment. I'm guessing it still is. Two years ain't squat. Do his time and get out. Tell him to suck it up, buttercup.
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I would strongly urge you to inform your friend that intentional failure is not the solution. As others have said, he needs to suck it up and find satisfaction and fulfillment in the commitment he made. He is not very far into his contract and is most likely experiencing a serious readjustment to his new life and surroundings. He's far from home and even the awesomeness of Germany is lost on someone who might be homesick. As he gets into the rhythm of his job and makes new friends in his unit, he will find that his job will get easier and he may enjoy what he's doing. I would also recommend he talk with his Chaplain for some broader perspective.
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Recycle his ass a couple times and then make him a cook if he keeps his dumb shit up. STOP CODDLING THESE FUCKERS!!! They are supposed to be Soldiers. What happens later down the line if you keep giving them what they want? Men might die because of this piece of shit, that's what. I can't even believe you're asking this question. Maybe you outta be replaced!!!
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Seriously? I guess neither of you realize the PT test is the same for active and reserve. All he will end up with is finishing his contract in the IRR, no pay due.....
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SPC(P) (Join to see)
I'm fully aware it's the same. Not sure where people are reading where I stated they're different
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SGT Kaye Fiorello
SPC(P) (Join to see) - it reads as if he (and you) think that if he fails the active PT test, they will just send him to the reserves. It doesn't work that way anymore, hasn't for about ten years now. he fails on active, he will to the ready reserve, and potentially be barred from even going into the guard. It's a drawdown situation, no branch is desperate for warm bodies anymore.
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SPC(P) (Join to see)
He mentioned he would purposefully fail an APFT to get chaptered. I got the answers I needed, I told him to suck it up. He has no issue passing a PT test
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This is the first real life lesson for your buddy. He signed the contract so make good on that. Not to mention he's an 11B and someday another soldiers may be depending on him to save his/her life.
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