Posted on Jan 25, 2020
I have a soldier with an ETS date is in 20 days, and the command wants to give him a PT test. Does the soldier have to do it/pass or fail?
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My last assignment was in a Command position and I made sure my Detachment Sergeant didn’t schedule an APFT for anyone who was ETSing, had orders and was within 180 days of separation. If I thought you were a dirtbag I signed a bar to re-enlistment and you were gone anyway. This is blatant harassment pure and simple.
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They tried the same thing with me. I was being released with an Honorable discharge. I got down, did one push up and got back up. I did one sit up and got back up. I walked instead of ran. They could not say anything, what were they going to do, threaten to kick me out. They had already barred me to re-enlistment because I was over weight. I did that on purpose too. They always threatened to kick me out, so I forced them to do it. I was even called into my CO's office and was told that I had to sign paperwork. It was my discharge for being over weight. I signed it and handed it back to him. He asked, do you know what this is, I said yes I do, sir. He tore it up right there and said get the hell out of my office. When I came up for orders to be transferred, I refused to extend or re-enlist. I was barred from re-enlisting. JAG told me that the Army had broken the contract. I got out 6 months early with my honorable discharge. I finished my career by going to work for the Post Office when I got out. Better pay and less stress.
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That is just plain stupid! PT test for what??? Just before I retired I was told that I had to weigh-in and do an APFT for an award. I told them hell no and what are you going to do fire me?? Of course, I knew they could flag me but I did not care. I still got the award. :)
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Too many commanders view separation in a negative light. My last battalion commander threw my Meritorious Service Medal (retirement award) in the circular file. Never got it. He was mad because I had a P3 profile (all service connected) and couldn't pad his APFT numbers and my retirement "hurt his numbers"; I just wanted to "get out of the way". These service members have honorably fulfilled their contracts; I don't understand them being harassed. Had the SM in question been injured and medically extended, I imagine they would have made his life hell i.e. CQ/Staff Duty Runner 24 on/ 24 off. Some commanders wonder why nobody wants to reenlist. I was fortunate when I ETSed from active duty on 30NOV90 in that I was left alone, other than only getting 5 days to clear.
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One month before I retired, I took the AFRT just like everyone else in my unit. I was the Center and Bn's Operations Sergeant (E9 Billet). I was in physical therapy and could have wimped out. I chose to, instead, be an example for the rest of the soldiers in the command. I maxed the test and had no physical problems afterwards. In my case, it was always leadership by example. Does a soldier have to take the test when they have a very short period of service time remaining? I would like to think that they would as one of their last "hurrahs" but then, not all short timers have ever been dedicated.
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Thanks, did my 28 but had a P3 profile because of my back injury and couldn’t get promoted. Been Retired for over 18 years now; didn’t know the new APFT pass/fail requirements.
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Unnecessary. As a CW3 approaching retirement (2-month out and a test less than one year old), my company commander thought I too should take the test. While initially demuring, I cheerfully said 'sure sir, I'll take the test.' Told him I'd do one push-up, one set-up and stroll around the track. He was taken back and said 'but Chief, you'll fail.' I acknowledged he was right. When he realized I'd be a PT failure reported to the battalion commander, and that the BC's first question 'what were you thinking,' he thought twice about my test.
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What did he do to make his life miserable? This is obviously an a commander who is handling his ETS with a little bit of malice, or a section NCO with an axe to grind. An APFT is not a requirement for a DD 214. This soldier is returning to the real world, no physical is required.
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SFC Joseph Behmke
Wrong answer; every soldier separating needs a separation physical to verify or deter false LOD VA claims.
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