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LTC Jason Mackay
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Therè are ways for your Chain of Command to check on your on post housing, but in practice, it just isn't done. If they are checking on you, they are checking others. Or they have a specific wellness issue with your family, and they send someone under the Familiy Advocacy Program. It will not be frequent and it will be targeted. There is nothing to say that one of your leaders will not roll by just to check on you just for GP, just to see how you are living. They are supposed to do that. They may swing by to see your new quarters to ensure you are ok, the quarters issued to you are in good repair, and your family is settling in, especially being a newly wed. Your commander or first sergeant and or their spouse/FRG may swing by with some welcome gesture. My post was small enough, I visited each resident at one point or another as the Garrison Commander.

If you are worried about this, go talk to your first line leader and legal. It varies post to post, whether it is privatized and which ground lease the Army is using with which partners. There is not a simple yes or no. There is nothing to say that a leader from your unit won't knock on the door and ask to come in, but they are not checking to see that the bed is made or if you hangers are all facing the same direction. They are looking to see if you are surviving. Food in the fridge, the house is not an unsanitary mess. Family members are cared for etc. children are safe.

If you live on post, you will be subject to exterior upkeep standards from your area mayor that if you fail to comply, your first sergeant will get a call. Those will be inspecte by the mayor and NCOs from Garrison.
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SFC Senior Supply Sergeant
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Thanks for saving me from having to type all that...
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MSgt Ken Flood
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Not without cause, I did it only once. My daughter was 13 and was asked to babysit for a junior and neighbor. when she returned home she told me of the horrible conditions at their quarters. It smelled of urine and feces, was infested with fleas and cockroaches. After I went over to his quarters to see for myself, I confirmed what she had reported to me. I counselled him and gave him 30 days to clean it up. I reported it to our CO who agreed with my actions. When he didn't do as instructed it was taken out of my hands.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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And when there are issues like with one enlisted member I can think of checking His quarters to make sure there was actually food in the refrigerator instead of only beer. There were already indicators there was a problem and for everyone's safety it was looking out for people that didn't have the common sense to look out for themselves. Not everyone who becomes an adult takes on adult responsibilities and some need to be led onto the correct path for their own welfare and that of their dependents.
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SFC Joseph Weber
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Only time I did them was when we got a call from housing or a landlord. Welfare check and by that time it was so extreme the guys basically were chaptered over it and whatever else was going on.
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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SFC Joseph Weber Besides what you mentioned, I did one because I was called to stop a domestic. They had kids, house was not the best kept I have seen, so I talked to both of them about it. Joe stayed in barracks for 72 hrs and the problem was fixed
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I will be getting married this Tuesday and will be getting off-post housing. Will NCOs be able to inspect, like in the barracks?
SSG Shavonde Chase
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You might find the information paper at the following link quite helpful:

http://www.knox.army.mil/garrison/supportoffices/sja/docs/papers/adminlaw/HealthWelfInsp.pdf
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CSM Thomas McGarry
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Good info!
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SSG Shavonde Chase
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CSM Thomas McGarry - Thanks. I try to find information in "black and white" or refer to the proper agency.
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SSG Warren Swan
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Thank you CSM, but in the article posted, it only mentioned on post housing. When it was done to me, and I did it to my joes, all it was a look see to ensure the of the Soldiers home was good for them. They nor I had white gloves on, but it was only a visual inspection, and it was only in common areas. Not the bedrooms.
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TSgt Hh 60 G Maintainer
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AR 190-22 CHapter 2 says No, they cannot. Military authority starts and stops at the front gate. To inspect off-post housing, that requires the same procedures civilian law enforcement require; probable cause leading to a warrant being issued by a civilian judge, and served by civilian law enforcement. Military cannot participate in civilian search warrant cases, but can observe if the civilian LE allows it.

The whole "The Military pays your BAH, so they can inspect your housing" argument is pure BS. If that were true, then anything you bought using your pay would be liable to government search and seizure.

Just because something sketchy might have been done in the past does not make that act, or any similar future act right. Know the regs, or pay the price. Or just check with your SJAG before doing anything that might get you in trouble/relieved/thrown in jail.
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MSG 1st Sergeant
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Can they? Yes, they can. Will they? Don't give them a reason to. For the most part off post personnel are left alone unless they are dirty or they see family issues where you need to get pulled back into the barracks. For example, domestic violence, possibly suicidal, your wife calling saying there is no food at the house, or always smelling bad like you don't shower. The check will primarily be for health and welfare of the Soldier

If you are worried about them harassing your spouse, if they come to inspect and you are not home, your spouse has the right to say no, leave my residence. That doesn't mean hide in the closet and tell your spouse to say you're not home, because you can get in trouble for that.
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1SG S6 Communications Ncoic
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Can they? No they can't! The CoC can not come to your off post house to inspect anything...they can't do health and welfare checks. If there is probable cause for such an inspection at your Soldier's off post quarters then you would need to call the local police. We can't do health and welfares at on post housing either...the majority of on post housing is now privatized...you would have to contact PMO and the housing office. The only exception to this is the barracks.
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MSG 1st Sergeant
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1SG (Join to see) - You are taking this out of proportion. If an NCO is concerned enough about the welfare of the Soldier, while there are different variable the NCO can conduct a simple health and welfare inspection. Now, they can't just walk into his home. They can't force him to allow them in. He can't lie and say he's not home just to refuse entry. But, if the Soldier allows them to go in the home, there is no issue. If the wife allows them, then they can do so as well. Now personally, if the Soldier is not home, there is no way I would go into the home. If they refuse, the chain can go to the rental property and request permission to visit the premises. For the most part, land lords have it in their contract that they can go into your home with "x" amount of notice. If it is that critical, that is another way to go about it. If it gets to the point where law enforcement is required, there is something seriously wrong.

This Soldier's concern was can they do inspections like they can in the barracks and harass the spouse. The answer is no.
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1SG S6 Communications Ncoic
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MSG...example...you come to my off post quarters to check on me on a Saturday. I answer the door and you ask to come in...I say no. End of story! My landlord or property owner has the authority to enter my home with notice. You don't have that same authority. You can talk to my landlord until your blue in the face...you can't go in without permission. The only legal jurisdiction in off post quarters is the local police. You might want to check with your local JAG office before you try that stuff. So no...not blowing this out of proportion. Just giving this Soldier the facts.
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MSG 1st Sergeant
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So, I repeat ... "they can't just walk into his home. They can't force him to allow them in."
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No we cannot inspect off-post housing or even most on-post housing units (they are privatized) unless we have permission from the occupant or the land lord.

We can ask, and the Soldier can tell us no. If we still think something is going on, we have to notify the proper agency, i.e. provost marshal, local PD, Family Advocacy, etc.
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TSgt John Hotelling
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I agree 100%. I only lived on base for first year of my career. I didn't care for anybody snooping in my space.! I was never bothered when living off base. Nobody has any business in a place I own. We still have a constitution. If the military arm has reached out this far I'm glad I'm retired.
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SSG Platoon Sergeant
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There's some instances that leadership inspects off-post and even on-post housing. It's like a command prerogative. Trust me, they been doing this to ensure everyone Is living favorably . its also a health and welfare. I've seen before in Fort Eustis, VA that one of the houses there has "poop" inside the house, molds on a/c's, I've also seen one of my buddies when I was an E-4 that their house is like that TV show, Hoarder: Buried Alive. It was really nasty and clothes both dirty and you cant even tell which one is clean because its scattered on the floor. I was even paid a visit by my commander to check my house. But of course its up to you if you will get permission to your NCOS. But trust me, just live clean and I cant dictate how you gonna live your house but home inspections are also a must
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1SG S6 Communications Ncoic
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There are no instances where they can do that...there is no command prerogative. Off post the local police would be involved...on post then PMO would be involved. Only exception is the barracks. Don't be that guy...JAG would eat you alive if you are doing this.
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1SG (Join to see) - With my over 20 years of leading troops, it is part of our responsiblity as NCOs to ensure our troopers and their dependents are living the right way and in sanitary condition for their own health. Command directive Health and Welfare inspection is part of the routine for Soldiers and Junior NCOs who lives in the barracks, but in todays Army, leaders can no longer barge in their rooms and demand on the spot inspections. Gone are the days when my squad leader will drop in my b's at 0400 hrs. wake me up and exclaim! Get up, Inspection right now! Imagine that! I.G. complains will be stacked up. When it comes to the on post housing, the Post Housing SGM and his team imposed the rules and regulations. Got to maintain your yard neat and clean or else your command will get a nasty gram and in turn your inviting them to go and inspect your place. Kinda like, to keep your privacy, don't give them an excuse to get into your affair, don't draw attention to yourself. They also need to make sure they convey their intent in advance to visit so no legal boundaries are crossed. Off post housing, you have all the rights to refuse entry, unless its a domestic incident and local law enforcement must be involved. If you are in doubt, always consult your legal office a.k.a. JAG. Then everyone will be guided.
Hope this cast some light on this issue.

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SFC (Join to see) - I have zero questions or the need for any light to be cast on this issue for me. There is absolutely no command prerogative to inspect off post or on post family housing. There needs to be probable cause to do so. On post housing is now privatized, so gone are the days of the housing mayor or Post Housing SGM. We still need to keep the yard up and all that stuff. The command would have to contact the housing office and the PMO in order for a health and welfare inspection to be conducted. There would also need to be probable cause to do so...such as domestic issues. Off post is a whole other thing. Again, there is no command prerogative to conduct health and welfares at off post living quarters unless there is probable cause which would be determined by the local police. The only exception is the barracks...inspecting rooms at 0400 is a douche bag move anyways. Yes, I can just pop in at the barracks for an inspection. Just to make sure that they don't have 3 weeks worth of dirty laundry or 20 half empty boxes of moldy pizza. Not sure why or how you thought I was in any doubt. I know exactly what I can and can't do.
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SSG Warren Swan
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A health and welfare inspection is applicable to everyone regardless of where they live. 24-48 hours notice and be ready. They've been done to me, and I've done them on off post Soldiers under me. It's not a dick move. If you live like shit in the barracks, there is a good chance you'll live like that off post, and to keep the CO out of it, NCO led H and W's are important to see and verify a Soldiers and their families welfare. Remember this; housing is not for you, it is for your family. If you cannot control how you and your family live within loose standards, you can find yourself back in the barracks. Don't be that guy. Please.
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1SG S6 Communications Ncoic
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Wrong!!! You can't just go and do a health and welfare anytime you want...you might want to check with JAG before you find yourself a SGT.
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TSgt Hh 60 G Maintainer
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1SG (Join to see) - Exactly! Military authority starts and stops at the gate to the military installation. To be authorized non-consentual entry into off-post housing, that requires a warrant (which requires probable cause) signed by a civilian judge, and served by civilian law enforcement. Your stripes or insignia of rank does NOT authorize one to enter anywhere one feels like. Yes, even on-post quarters require probable cause and a warrant. Check with JAG before you lose your career over hubris.
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SSG Jeremy Sharp
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Don't make your family life an issue and their will be no reason for command involvement at your off-post residence. Pay your bills, take care of your family responsibilities, don't turn your residence into party central and be on time for formation and the commander will have little reason to check your living conditions. Keep in mind that as an E-2 the off post billeting is a privilege, not a right so do not abuse the freedom.
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